What happened to the spatial degrees of freedom for the second particle?

In summary, Henley and Garcia introduce phase space in chapter 10 of their book on subatomic physics. They discuss the uncertainty principle and how it limits our ability to determine the exact location and momentum of a particle. They also consider the case of multiple particles and show how the number of states in phase space is related to the volume and size of cells. They then explain how the second particle has no spatial degrees of freedom.
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In Henley and Garcia's Subatomic Physics, they introduce phase space in chapter 10 by considering all the possible locations a particle can occupy in a plot of ##p_x \ vs. x##, ##p_x## being the momentum of the particle in the x direction. They next consider an area pL on this plot, and state that while classically a particle can occupy any of the infinite points in this area, due to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle we cannot determine both the momentum and location of the particle to infinite precision. The best we can do is divide the area up into cells of size h and state that the particle resides somewhere inside this cell. In this sense we can only describe ##N = \frac{pL}{h}## states in this phase space. They then generalize this to momentum and spatial coordinates in three-dimensions, so we have a six-dimensional phase space. They confine the particle to a box of volume V and show that ##N_1 = \frac{V}{h^3} \int d^3p##, where the volume of a cell in this phase-space is now ##h^3##. Finally, they consider a situation with two particles where their total momentum is fixed. In this case, if we know the momentum of particle 1, we know the momentum of particle 2, so they claim that "the extra degrees of freedom are not really there". I can see why there are no degrees of freedom for ##p_2##, but what I'm confused about is where the spatial degrees of freedom for particle 2 went. I would think that for a given cell in phase space of particle 1, we have a range that ##p_1## can be. This determines the range of ##p_2##. But can't particle 2 reside spatially anywhere inside the volume ##V##? Drawing an analogy to the 1D case, we would have a whole row of cells for particle 2 given a cell of particle 1. They would all have the same height and width and be centered at the same ##p_{x,2}## value, but be centered at different ##x_2## values. In that case, shouldn't ##N_2 = \frac{V^2}{h^6} \int d^3p_1##? But they claim that ##N_2 = \frac{V}{h^3} \int d^3p_1##, and I can't figure out why the second particle doesn't have any spatial degrees of freedom.
 
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In that case, shouldn't ##N_2 = \frac{V^2}{h^6} \int d^3p_1##? But they claim that ##N_2 = \frac{V}{h^3} \int d^3p_1##, and I can't figure out why the second particle doesn't have any spatial degrees of freedom.
The formula should have V not V^2, spatial degree of freedom for THE SECOND particle not TWO particles.
 
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What is the phase space of two particles?

The phase space of two particles is a mathematical concept used to describe the state of a system of two particles in classical mechanics. It is a six-dimensional space that represents all possible combinations of the positions and momenta of the two particles.

How is the phase space of two particles related to their motion?

The phase space of two particles is closely related to their motion because it allows us to track the positions and momenta of the particles as they move through space. By plotting the trajectories of the particles in phase space, we can gain a better understanding of their behavior and predict their future positions and velocities.

What are the axes of the phase space of two particles?

The axes of the phase space of two particles represent the positions and momenta of the two particles. The three dimensions of position are represented by the x, y, and z axes, while the three dimensions of momentum are represented by the corresponding px, py, and pz axes.

How is the phase space of two particles different from the phase space of a single particle?

The phase space of two particles is different from the phase space of a single particle because it has six dimensions instead of three. This is because there are two particles in the system, each with their own set of positions and momenta. Additionally, the phase space of two particles is more complex and can exhibit more complicated behaviors and dynamics.

What is the significance of the phase space of two particles in physics?

The phase space of two particles is significant in physics because it allows us to analyze and understand the behavior of systems with multiple interacting particles. It is a useful tool for predicting the future states of these systems and can help us gain insights into the fundamental laws of nature.

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