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Phi Music and OHM

  1. Mar 12, 2004 #1
    ok, so i'm a physic ignaramus. and a spelling one too.

    but recently i was thinking about what is this thing we call music
    and why, when u go to a jam concert (Grateful Dead, Phish, Etc.)- you reach something like a meditative state, (yes, even without drugs)

    and i stumbled upon Ohm. around 7 or 8 beats per second. super low frequency. maybe the concerts were just hitting repetitive bass notes which forced a meditation.

    somehow i then stumbled upon Phi.

    and then i got really confused.

    now i'm left trying to piece together some semblence of reason. and i think there is none

    maybe i should go back to just listening to the music, but.... if anyone has any imput on this crazy thing called Phi (and its relationship with love/music/ and especially Ohm) i'd appreciate it.


    i know electronic music uses some principles of physics to create transe...whats the deal with this stuff....

    not only music, but what is Phi-and why's it so powerful. the more info, the better
    thank you!
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  3. Jun 20, 2004 #2
    Phi is the 21st letter of the Greek alphabet, and I have no idea how a letter could have anything to do with music/love etc.
  4. Jun 20, 2004 #3


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    Phi is the letter designating a certain irrational number that comes into spirals, growth patterns of flowers, and Fibonacci numbers (don't ask). Some people get all mystical about it, but it's just a number. I don't know if basic harmony (which is mostly what those groups produced) has anything to do with phi; harmony has a deep connection to logarithms, and phi has a loose connection to logarithms so maybe.
  5. Aug 17, 2004 #4
    May I suggest that music brings on meditation in two ways...

    1) There are certain areas of the brain like the pineal gland that produce chemicals like seratonin, melatonin, DMT, etc. These chemicals can produce euphoric effects on our nervous system similar to the effects that meditation brings on. Also, these chemicals reside in discrete locations of the brain like the pineal gland and can be triggered to release into your blood stream or cerebro fluid . Here comes the tricky part... a process called 'resonance' can 'shake' the pineal gland and other parts of the brain, and get them to release seratonin, melatoni, DMT, etc. Resonance can be explained simply like this: Imagine you are in a small Jacuzzi and you thrust your body forward towards the North wall and the water rushes forward. If you then thrust your body backwards as the wave bounces off of the North wall and comes Southwards, the size of the wave increases dramatically. If you then allow the wave to hit the South wall and return going Northwards, and you move forwards with the wave, the wave gets even BIGGER! This is resonance. Resonance is literally the wave reflecting back onto itself perfectly so that it gets bigger and bigger and bigger as you ebb back and forth with it. So then, think of the music you hear as a sound wave, and your pineal gland as the jacuzzi. As the sound wave enters your pineal gland it bounces back and forth, back and forth. But since more and more soundwaves keep coming in from the instruments, they overlap perfectly (resonate) in your pineal gland until the total wave becomes so strong that it literally shakes your pineal gland and the chemicals get knocked into your bloodstream and cerebral fluid! That is the secret to music!

    2) Scientists have known for decades that the brain vibrates at a certain rate called your 'brain wave'. There are 5 different kinds of brain waves: 1) Alpha waves (8-13 beats per second) occur in relaxed adults who are awake with their eyes closed. 2) Beta waves (13-22 bps) occur in an adult who is concentrating seriously. 3) Delta waves (0.5-4 bps) occur in either sleeping adults, or in young infants. 4) Theta waves (4-8 bps) occur in children. 5) And Gamma waves (22-30 bps) are somewhat of a mystery. My suggestion, is that the music that produces the OHM (7-8 bps) you talked about may actually resonate with your Alpha brain wave (recall: 8-13 bps) and thus it may shake the brain sufficiently to cause nearly all areas of your brain to 'dump' their euphoric chemicals into your bloodstream and cerebral fluid.

    I hope this helps! Personally, I believe music is life, after all, everything moves in waves!

    P.S. You can find out more about brain waves by google searching for 'Electroencephalography', or 'EEG' for short, there is tons of exciting info. for you to see! Good luck traveller.
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