Physical Chemistry, P.W.Atkins, the Schrödinger equation

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical derivation of the Schrödinger equation for a particle in a potential-free field. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to arrive at the solution psi(x) = e^ikx and seeks assistance in understanding the underlying mathematics, particularly concerning second-order ordinary differential equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss reformulating the differential equation into a more recognizable form and explore the implications of substituting variables. The original poster attempts to derive the solution through substitution and expresses confusion regarding the sign of k in the final result.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on how to manipulate the differential equation, while others question the correctness of the original poster's reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the derived expressions, particularly concerning the sign of k.

Contextual Notes

The original poster indicates a lack of familiarity with more complex ordinary differential equations, which may limit their ability to fully engage with the problem. There is also a mention of the need to clarify assumptions regarding the signs of variables involved in the derivation.

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Homework Statement



Im doing an A-level project on the Schrödinger equation and am unsure on the mathematics used to obtain the following results:

The Schrödinger for a particle in no potential field (=0) has the solution:

psi(x)=e^ikx. i is defined below, I haven't really a clue as to how you get this result.

Looking at it I would guess that its a double integral to remove the second derivative of psi with respect to x, can anyone help me out here? I know how the rest of the equations goes after and using Eulers relationship to express it in tems of cos kx + i sin kx. You can also re-arrange k to show de Broglie's relationship.

any help is greatly appreciated

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The Attempt at a Solution



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Do you know how to solve 2-nd order ODE-s ?
 
ordinary differential equations?

i can solve second order derivatives but only relatively simple ones. This is a bit above my head. Would you be able to point me in the right direction of what to start looking at to get the correct result?

Thanks for the reply so far.

Regards, Simon.
 
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What dextercioby was getting at is reforming the differential equation into a workable or recognizable form.

e.g. take \frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}\,=\,E\psi and rewrite it as

\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}\,+\,E\psi = 0 and then


\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}\,+\,\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi = 0

and letting k^2\,=\,\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}, see what that form looks like and what the possible solutions are.
 
Ok i think i have got this now:

\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}\,+\,\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi = 0

as you said: let:

k^2\,=\,\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}

(1.) \frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2} = -k^2\psi

let:

\psi = e^mx

\frac{d\psi}{dx} = me^{mx}

\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2} = m^2e^{mx}

Substitute into (1.):

m^2e^{mx} = -k^2e^{mx}

m^2 = -k^2

m = -k
if:
-k < 0
then:
m = ik
so:
\psi = e^{mx}
Therefore:
\psi = e^{ikx}<br />

How does that look? it was a big effort but worth it :D

only thing I am not too sure about is the sign of k at the end of the process, + or -?

Thanks for the help so far!

Regards, Si
 
There's an error here:
Dj pie safety said:
m^2 = -k^2

m = -k
if:
-k &lt; 0
then:
m = ik

m^2 = -k^2 ~\implies m=ik
It doesn't matter if k>0 or k<0.
 

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