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Physical Evidence I : Radar

  1. Feb 22, 2004 #1
    Jim Bohannon was a radio guy who took over the airwaves when Larry King left for television stardom-the guy actually read headlines from WWN and 'scouffed' at the 'ignorance and gullibity of people who believe this nonsense'! Every week! (of course, the Washington Times would be the latest 'gospel truth' news source)......these 'skeptics' actually "believe" everyone buying the Weekly World News "believes" everything being written about Bat Boy!!( and obviously it's a conspiracy that the NY Times won't cover it! -geez.- the only sense of humor they 'got' springs from an intellectual arrogance as blind as any bigot's prejudice --

    You May as well invite 'em along for yur 'next abduction' if you mention UFOs.

    How many times have I heard, "Why don't they land on the Whitehouse lawn? or, 'Why is it only hillbillies at 3 in the morning Saturday night who see these 'spaceships'?....yeah, the Moonshine's excellent Jim, you oughta try it sometime.

    Why don't they land on the White House lawn??...

    You know what, They just about delivered Harry Truman breakfast in bed back in '52--
    if you care to look at the 'facts'!

    any skeptic out there willing to accept 'radar' as physical evidence? and that'd be 3 radars with visual confirmation on the ground and in the 'friendly skies' of the Nation's Capitol by military and commercial airline pilots-credible witnesses?....
    just 'balls of white lightin'? Pelicans caught in a temperture inversion?

    You can read all about it on-line in Captain Ruppelt's "Report on Unidentified Flying Objects" in the "Washington Merry-go-round" chapter.....this is "the book" to read on the UFO....published 1956....this is the guy who coined the term "UFO" and the original head of "Blue Book".

    http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/twelve.htm
     
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  3. Feb 26, 2004 #2
    ,,,, and I wonder why no responses to such a thread as this?

    Any body else getting the feeling somebody here isnt playing with all the cards on the table?

    Great post Mouseonmoon.
     
  4. Feb 26, 2004 #3

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    No I am not prepared to accept radar, by itself, as evidence, especially not the radar of 1952. As an Air Force weatherman in the late 50's I worked with radar images, and I saw plenty of screwy images, "whistlers" and other things that were produced by various natural electromagnetic things that go on in the atmosphere all the time. So unless someone has more than just radar, I don't think you have shown anything.
     
  5. Feb 26, 2004 #4
    Radar is but one of the pieces of the evidence. Guess there are those that ignore the other cards on the table? Eyewitness accounts which included the President for this one. FOCLMFAO
     
  6. Feb 26, 2004 #5
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    selfAdjoint

    No I am not prepared to accept radar, by itself, as evidence, especially not the radar of 1952. As an Air Force weatherman in the late 50's I worked with radar images, and I saw plenty of screwy images, "whistlers" and other things that were produced by various natural electromagnetic things that go on in the atmosphere all the time. So unless someone has more than just radar, I don't think you have shown anything.
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    great to hear from someone 'experienced'.

    Of course-as stated-there were numerous radars
    involved by those who we must seriously consider
    as 'experts' (this is DC National Airport--these guys
    'knew' all the 'ins and outs'--reading the report makes
    this 'clear'....

    these 'radar returns' were not "various natural electromagnetic
    things that go on in the atmosphere all the time."

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    For even more in depth coverage of the 'event's radar' see Major Keyhoe's investigation
    in the :
    http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc229.htm

    What Radar Tells About Flying Saucers

    Donald Keyhoe, TRUE Magazine, 1952

    Its radar equipment, by which controllers have guided thousands of airliners through fog and storms, is an M.E.W. (Microwave Early Warning) type similar to the sets used by the air defense forces.

    Many Americans still believe that the Washington radar men, veteran air traffic controllers, were tricked by atmospheric conditions. The same cause was said to have created mirage lights in the sky, deceiving airline and jet pilots, control tower men, and other trained and experienced observers. ....

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    Have you actually 'investigated' "this event"?

    Of course radar isn't the "proof" by itself-it simply addresses
    the skeptics concern for 'some physical evidence' to 'investigate'=
    ie. as if there isn't any==there's a wealth of radar reports!

    there's also a number of "films" that should quality as physical evidence
    (but let's consider radar first--and this 'case' in particular.
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    from a recent article:
    Alien Armada!
    50 Years Ago, Unidentified Flying Objects From ...
    By Peter Carlson
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, July 21, 2002; Page F01

    may be found here:
    50 Years Since Washington D.C. Flap
    http://www.subversiveelement.com/UFOWashingtonDC.html
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    .... the Civil Aeronautics Administration in 1953, "A Preliminary Study of Unidentified Targets Observed on Air Traffic Control Radars."....."The gist of the report," he says, "is that the Washington sightings were temperature inversions."
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    Temperature inversions were common in Washington on hot days, and the controllers were familiar with the phenomenon.
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    and of course their 'eye-witness' sighting--on the ground,
    and in the air by pilots....

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    "One expert says it was temperature inversion. Another says it wasn't. In that situation, you have to refer back to the air traffic controllers and the pilots who actually saw the objects."
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    Former controller Howard Cocklin is still convinced that he saw an object over National that night. "I saw it on the screen and out the window," he says. "It was a whitish-blue object. Not a light -- a solid form. An object. A saucer-shaped object."
    _
    Now 83 and retired, Cocklin says he never saw anything like that saucer -- not before, not since.
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    from same article:
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    In the control tower at Washington National Airport, Ed Nugent saw seven pale violet blips on his radar screen. What were they? Not planes -- at least not any planes that were supposed to be there.
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    He summoned his boss, Harry G. Barnes, the head of National's air traffic controllers. "Here's a fleet of flying saucers for you," Nugent said, half-joking.
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    Upstairs, in the tower's glass-enclosed top floor, controller Joe Zacko saw a strange blip streaking across his radar screen. It wasn't a bird. It wasn't a plane. What was it? He looked out the window and spotted a bright light hovering in the sky. He turned to his partner, Howard Cocklin, who was sitting three feet away.
    _
    "Look at that bright light," Zacko said. "If you believe in flying saucers, that could sure be one."
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    And then the light took off, zooming away at an incredible speed.
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    "Did you see that?" Cocklin remembers saying. "What the hell was that?"
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    It was Saturday night, July 19, 1952

    It was a clear, hot, humid night with very little air traffic, and the controllers at National watched the strange blips amble across their screens. They'd cruise at a leisurely rate of about 100 to 130 miles per hour, then abruptly zoom off in an extraordinary burst of speed.
    _ Barnes called his counterparts at Andrews and Bolling to ask if they saw anything unusual on their radar screens.They did. They were getting blips in the same places.
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    Bruce Maccabee, 60, is a civilian physicist for the Navy and a prominent UFO believer. In the '70s, he filed the Freedom of Information Act request that led to the release of the FBI's file on UFOs.
    Maccabee believes there were "solid objects" in the air over Washington 50 years ago. "And I think those solid objects were not made by us," he says. "And by us, I mean human beings."


    Like Klass, Maccabee buttresses his argument with an official government report. It's called "Quantitative Aspects of Mirages" and it was issued by the Air Force in 1969.

    "They proved in their own study that there wasn't enough temperature inversion to cause this effect," he says. "The Washington sightings cannot be explained as a radar mirage."
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    would very much appreciate a more 'detailed' 'expert' opinion of this 'radar event'
    thank you
     
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