What is the probability of winning with three descending numbers?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the probability of picking three numbers in descending order from a set of numbers between 0 and 9. There are 7 possible choices for the first number, 1/(x-1) possible choices for the second number, and 1/(y-1) possible choices for the third number. However, the chances associated with the second number depend on the first number chosen. There is also a discussion about an alternative procedure involving drawing balls from a bag.
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you pick three numbers between 0 and 9 (no multiplication of number). You win if you pick the three numbers in the exact order that they are drawn. Say you pick 3-2-1. What is the probability of winning, given the winning numbers are three in descending order (1st>2nd>3rd).
 
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Since the numbers do not repeat and are decreasing, the first number must be 3 or more. There are 7 such numbers, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 , 9, so the probability of picking the first number, x, correctly is 1/7. The probability of picking the second number, y, correctly is 1/(x- 1) and the probability of picking the third number correctly is 1/(y- 1).
Note that for each x the second probability differs and for each y the third does. Take the sums of the probabilities over all possible values of x and y.
 
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Thanks a lot,, Yes, it makes sense, but it is going to be big big big calculation...
wondering if there is any alternative?
 
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Something doesn't seem right. The first number needs to be from the range of 2 through 9 and that is an 8 in 10 chance. Then there is a 1 in 9 chance for the second number and a 1 in 8 chance in the third number.
 
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2milehi said:
Something doesn't seem right. The first number needs to be from the range of 2 through 9 and that is an 8 in 10 chance. Then there is a 1 in 9 chance for the second number and a 1 in 8 chance in the third number.

That is wrong. The chances associated with the second number depend on what was the first number. For example, if the first number is 3 there is just one allowed choice of second number, but it the first number is 9 there are 7 choices for the second number (8,7,6,5,4,3, or 2), etc.

RGV
 
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Cylab said:
Thanks a lot,, Yes, it makes sense, but it is going to be big big big calculation...
wondering if there is any alternative?

Your problem is a bit unclear. Is the procedure as follows?

You choose 3 numbers a,b,c from the set {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} such that a>b>c.


someone else puts 9 balls numbered {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} in a bag, and draws out 3 at random without replacement. You're being told that is just so happened that those 3 balls were in the same order as your pick.
(or the drawing was repeated with refilling the bag after each set of 3 draws until the balls were drawn out in descending order)

If that is the case, then the probability is just 1 divided by the number of triples (a,b,c) with a>b>c. (should be easy)
The reply of HallsifIvy is then wrong, since the probability of getting a 3 or a 9 on the first draw isn't the same. There's only one combination that starts with a 3, and many that start with 9, so with the given information, 9 is far more likely than 3.

I believe it would be correct if all balls that are bigger than a ball that's already drawn, or that couldn't produce a valid combination (1,2 on the first draw and 1 on the second)
would be thrown back in the bag.
 
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I might be misunderstanding the original question. Do the numbers have to descend by one like in your example, or just have be lower than the previously chosen number?
 

1. What is the purpose of picking a number between 0 and 9?

The purpose of picking a number between 0 and 9 is to create a random number that can be used in experiments or simulations. This number can represent different variables or outcomes and can help scientists gather data and make predictions.

2. How do scientists ensure that the number picked is truly random?

Scientists use different methods to ensure that the number picked is truly random. This can include using random number generators or conducting experiments multiple times to gather a larger sample size. Additionally, scientists may use statistical analysis to verify the randomness of the numbers.

3. Can a number between 0 and 9 be used to represent a continuous variable?

No, a number between 0 and 9 cannot represent a continuous variable. Continuous variables have an infinite number of possible values, while a number between 0 and 9 can only represent 10 distinct values. Scientists may use a larger range of numbers or decimals to represent continuous variables.

4. How can picking a number between 0 and 9 impact the validity of a scientific study?

The impact of picking a number between 0 and 9 on the validity of a scientific study depends on the specific study and how the number is used. If the number is used as a random variable in a controlled experiment, it may not have a significant impact on validity. However, if the study relies heavily on the specific number chosen, it may introduce bias and affect the validity of the results.

5. Are there any alternative methods to picking a number between 0 and 9 in scientific research?

Yes, there are alternative methods to picking a number between 0 and 9 in scientific research. Scientists may use other randomization techniques such as coin flips, dice rolls, or computer-generated random numbers. They may also use stratified sampling or match participants based on specific characteristics rather than randomly assigning numbers.

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