1. May 22, 2008

### bpuk

ok so i have a homework question that goes around the lines of a perfect sphere is used as a measureing bowl with radius R is given, this has a hole in the top in which it is filled with water (volume of this discounted as it is relatively small), we are asked to find at what height (relative to the centre) marks should be made to show that there is p (mm) of liquid in the bowl??
i am really stuck on this someone please.

2. May 22, 2008

### bpuk

i dont know how to edit but i know in order to do find the volume i will have to model a cone within th experiment obtian the limits and then derive a function but i am for the life of me unable to comprehend on how to start it

3. May 22, 2008

### tiny-tim

Welcome to PF!

Hi bpuk! Welcome to PF!

Divide the volume into horizontal slices each of thickness dz, find the volume of each slice (as a function of z), and then integrate.

4. May 22, 2008

### bpuk

so basically i will be working in terms of finding the integral (from the R to R-h) of the area of a cross section being pi*r^2??

5. May 22, 2008

### bpuk

or is it the int[sqrt(radius^2 - z^2)] between Radius and radius - height??

6. May 22, 2008

### HallsofIvy

Staff Emeritus
No, sqrt(radius^2- z^2) is just "r" itself for each "slice". Since the volume of each slice is
$\pi r^2dz$, you want $\pi\int (radius^2- z^2)dz$.

7. May 22, 2008

### bpuk

hmm,
but yeah thats what i thought but how do we then know the radius of each "slice" if we continued to work through the problem?

and were the Z limits ok?

8. May 22, 2008

### bpuk

using that $\pi\int (radius^2- z^2)dz$
i found that intergrating it came out to be 1/2 ln (z+sqrt(r^2+x^2)r^2 + 1/2*x*sqrt(r^2+x^2)

9. May 22, 2008

### bpuk

and going on from this i found the integral of this is like [.5*ln(x+sqrt(r^2+x^2)r^2 + .5*x*sqrt(r^2+x^2)]
which seems a bit crazy.

10. May 22, 2008

### tiny-tim

Hi bpuk!

I don't understand where your sqrt came from … there's no sqrt in the formula.

And is your x the same as your z, or something different?

Just integrate π(r^2 - z^2).

11. May 22, 2008

### bpuk

umm the sqrt came from the spherical formula cos you have to sqrt the side you have as in x^2+y^2+z^2=R^2.
and yesh i understand to integrate the eqn but in terms of the next step what is that lil r in reference to is that the main radius i know or the one of the smaller cut.

as in if i know go to integrate it i get pi*r^2*z - (z^3)/3*pi
do i then go my known limits of R and R-H here
and then what happens to the small r??

Last edited: May 22, 2008
12. May 22, 2008

### tiny-tim

(My r should have been R.)

Yes … calculate π[R^2*z - (z^3)/3] from -R to H.