Poisson's ratio

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Main Question or Discussion Point

please help on this formula how it has been arrived?

dA=A(1-m dL/L)^2-A

where m= Poisson's ratio
A=area of cross section
L=length
 

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FredGarvin
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In what context have you seen this? I can't recall seeing this form. I'll try to work out a proof. It looks like it's in regards to a tensile test...
 
  • #3
gauge factor

While deriving the formulae for Gauge factor of materials(resitors) in strain gauges it comes.In between they have given this formula.

First they told

R=PL/A

R=RESISTANCE
P=SPECIFIC RESISTANCE
L=LENGTH
A= AREA

Then,

dR=a(PdL+LdP) - P L da
-------------------
a^2

Divide L.H.S by R and R.H.S by PL/A we get

dR dL dP dA
-- = --- + ---- - ----- (eqn 1)
R L P A



And suddenly they give this formula

as

dA= A(1-m dL/L)^2 -A

m=poisson's ratio

they substituted this in equation (1)

and finally arrived at gauge factor (dR/R)/(dL/L)
 
  • #4
Please I need a answer How this formula is obtained?

da=a(1-m dl/l)^2 - a

please help me.
 
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FredGarvin
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I can not find anything in my references that has that particular form. I am trying to derive it but not having much luck right now. I am still trying though. BTW...who is "they"? What book/reference states this?
 
  • #6
Book reference

It is from "Transducer Engineering" by S.Renganathan
 
  • #7
please provide me the proof for this formulae:

da=a(1-m dl/l)^2-a
i.e., da/a=(1-m dl/l)^2 -1
=1+m^2 (dl/l)^2-2m dl/l -1
=(m dl/l)^2 - 2m dl/l

so da/a= (m dl/l)^2 - 2m dl/l
=m dl/l(m dl/l -2)

so

(da/a)/(dl/l)=m^2 (dl/l)-2m

now atleast you can say me how we arrive at this formula.Because I don't know any of the mechanical concepts and also about Poisson ratio.If you find any material regarding these please send me.My e-mail Id is

saravanan_n@msn.com
 
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FredGarvin
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Pretty impatient people these days...Maybe "at least" I can tell you this:

Start with the relationship for an electrical conductor:

[tex]R = \frac{\rho L}{A}[/tex]

Where:
[tex]R[/tex] = Resistance
[tex]\rho[/tex] = Resistivity
[tex]A[/tex] = Cross sectional Area

Now differentiate it:

[tex]dR = \frac{A(L d\rho + \rho dL) - \rho L dA)}{A^2}[/tex]

Now go back and divide the last equation by the first and have fun with the algebra. Remember the definition of Poisson's Ratio: [tex]\nu = \frac{dA/A}{dL/L}[/tex]
 
  • #9
Sorry for being impatient,Since I have test on this I have to hurry.
Now we get
DR/R=DL/L+DP/P-DA/A

Then we divide whole eqn by dl/l

(dr/r)/(dl/l)=1+(dp/p)/(dl/l)-m

so we can put
Gauge Factor=1+Piezoresistivity-Poisson ratio

Is this equation right?
 
  • #10
Equation Not Agrreable

If you say Poisson Ratio =(da/a)/(dl/l)

then do you agree with this equation also

da=a(1-((poisson ratio) dl/l)^2)-a
(in whatever context it comes)
 
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Astronuc
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Poisson's ratio is the lateral contraction per unit breadth divided by the longitudinal extension per unit length.

But A is proportional to the square of the length, i.e. a square has area, A = l2, where l is side length, or a circle has area [itex]\pi[/itex]r2, where r is radius.

Now looking in three dimensions, if lx and ly contract by [itex]\nu\,(\frac{\Delta{l_z}}{l_z})[/itex] then the new lengths are

lx([itex]1 - \nu (\frac{\Delta{l_z}}{l_z})[/itex]) and ly([itex]1 - \nu (\frac{\Delta{l_z}}{l_z})[/itex]),

and the Area is then given by the product. If Ao = lx ly, then the new area is

A = Ao * ([itex]1 - \nu\,\frac{\Delta{l_z}}{l_z}[/itex])2

and dA = A - Ao, which defines dA.
 
  • #12
Thanks for the reply.I am very much pleased.Thank you!!!
 

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