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Pope's Exorcist Squad Wage War On Satan

  1. Dec 29, 2007 #1
    Pope's Exorcist Squads Wage War On Satan

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    I do not quite know what to say. It seems....strange...somehow.
     
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  3. Dec 29, 2007 #2

    Gokul43201

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    Clearly, it's not Satanism that's on the rise, but loonyism (among bombardiers!!!)!
     
  4. Dec 29, 2007 #3

    arildno

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    Yes, papal condonation of wide spread child abuse. What's new?
     
  5. Dec 29, 2007 #4

    Ivan Seeking

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    By child abuse I assume that you are referring to the teaching of these beliefs?
     
  6. Dec 29, 2007 #5

    arildno

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    I was primarily thinking of the prospective victims of exorcism sessions, condoned by the Pope.
     
  7. Dec 29, 2007 #6

    Ivan Seeking

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    Exorcisms are extremely rare - I think only have a few have occurred over the last fifty years, and these may not have even been sanctioned by the Church. For example, IIRC, the case on which the movie "The Exorcist" was primarily based was not a sanctioned event. [Of course in the movie they throw in every phenomena ever claimed to be associated with so called demonic possessions.]

    Is The Daily Mail even a valid reference? I thought this is somewhat of a rag paper like the National Enquirer.
     
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  8. Dec 29, 2007 #7

    wolram

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    The pope must be one of a very few that know what true evil is.
     
  9. Dec 29, 2007 #8

    Gokul43201

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    What's "a few"? Fewer than 1000, fewer than 100,000, fewer than 10 million...?
     
  10. Dec 29, 2007 #9

    siddharth

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    This article claims that the Vatican has denied that the pope ordered the squads
    http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=55627
     
  11. Dec 29, 2007 #10

    arildno

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    Secondarily, it is also child abuse to scare children about non-existing things like demons.
    It is beside the point that the Pope and his exorcists believe in them.
    They are, that is to say, morally&mentally incompetent to decide when their faith teachings slide into child abuse, only secularists can have that competence.
     
  12. Dec 29, 2007 #11

    Ivan Seeking

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    I think you make far too much of this. What's more, the claim is that people are turning to Satanism, which goes directly against everything that the church teaches. So clearly the church isn't responsible for this.

    It seems that you are pointing your finger at the wrong people. Who is pitching Satanism to kids?
     
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  13. Dec 29, 2007 #12

    arildno

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    Well, what is this horrid rise in the interest of the occult they're referring to?

    J.K.Rowling's success, perhaps?
    Is she a pernicious influence?
     
  14. Dec 29, 2007 #13

    Ivan Seeking

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    I can't help but think of some modern music that glorifies killing, torture, and rape.
     
  15. Dec 29, 2007 #14

    Ivan Seeking

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    Google
    The third hit is titled "The Joy of Satan"
     
  16. Dec 29, 2007 #15

    wolram

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    Morbid ignorant people, did they say what they think satan represents?
     
  17. Dec 29, 2007 #16
    As a side note, Satanism is not devil-worship. That seems to have been lost in the discussion.
     
  18. Dec 29, 2007 #17

    Moonbear

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    That's what I always thought it was. Now I'll have to look it up. Even so, if it were devil worship, that's hardly the same as demonic possession. It does seem rather funny to be discussing exorcism in this day and age though. It sounds like an exaggerated story, though.
     
  19. Dec 29, 2007 #18
    Interview with the head High Priest of the Church of Satan (founded by Anton Lavey in the 1960s).

    http://www.pointofinquiry.org/?p=122

    It is basically a parody of Christianity with things like "black mass", "black pope" "the 11 commandments", "the satanic bible", "The Satanic Sins" etc.

    Click on "Listen Now".

    By "Satan" they mean "Adversary" and they call themselves adversaries to all forms of faith-based approaches to beliefs. They are basically a bunch of atheist skeptics.
     
  20. Dec 29, 2007 #19

    Gokul43201

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    Sure looks like people are turning away from the Good Book in droves. Check out these other growing abominations:

    Also from Google
    But on the positive side, people are now seriously shopping around for slaves:
    Joking aside, the ironic thing is that most of the people that either get into Satan worship or those that believe they're possessed by the Devil, likely got their ideas from the Church!

    If I were told that there's a God who wants me to do blah1, blah2, ...blahN without questioning any of it or else...and that there's the Devil that wants me to reject the authority of this God, and that wants me to seek worldly pleasures, who would I vote for?
     
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  21. Dec 30, 2007 #20

    Ivan Seeking

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    In regards to the Catholic Church, I've only heard of three taking place in the latter half of the century, and I think those all involved renegade priests.

    On the other hand, many of the more extreme sects of Christianity perform so called exorcisms as a normal part of their conversion process and even their weekly services. They have fits, roll around on the floor, and speak in [so called] tongues.
     
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  22. Dec 30, 2007 #21

    Ivan Seeking

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    You specifically ignored the title listed. There is no shortage of hits on satanic pop sites.

    Beliefs of good and evil go back farther than the church.

    Don't lie; don't kill; don't have sex with the neighbors wife; don't be envious of those around you; honor your parents, love your neighbor... horrible stuff. I think you're right - we should teach kids to think of no one and nothing but themselves. Is that what you are defending here?

    Again, the church has denied the story.
     
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  23. Dec 30, 2007 #22

    Ivan Seeking

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    It refers loosely to all sorts of practices and beliefs that are often associated with evil in the classic christian beliefs. They also refer generally to concepts of self-indulgence as a way of life.
     
  24. Dec 30, 2007 #23

    Gokul43201

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    If you insist. I however, am neutral, in that if you don't defend any of those "rules" through reason, there's no way for me to tell whether or not they are horrible.

    Until then, could someone remind the Church that they ought to chastize Osama bin Laden's oldest son Abdallah for not honoring his father, and praise the younger son Saad, a leading member of al Qaeda, for obediently following in his father's footsteps? Then they can chastize Saad for the killing.

    No, but we should teach kids to think for themselves.

    No, I'm just revealing the irony involved in the Church probably being the primary publicizer of the Devil.
     
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    :rofl::rofl:
     
  26. Dec 30, 2007 #25

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    There are a lot more things prohibited by the Catholic church than those. It's the longer list that kids start rolling eyes at...the ones like don't have sex until you're married, don't use birth control when you do. If you didn't follow the first rule and did follow the second rule, you have to have that baby, and if you have that baby, you have to have it baptized for which there is a mandatory donation required. We'll ignore the first rule if you get married after you're pregnant and before the baby is born, and if that means you married the wrong person due to youthful indiscretion, then you can't get divorced, but for the right price...oops, donation...you can get an annulment where we pretend neither the marriage, sex nor baby happened. Try to wait until marriage and satisfy some of those urges by your own hand...that's a sin according to the Catholic church too. Is it any wonder teens would just throw in the towel and decide they're already going to Hell so might as well make it worth the trip?
     
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