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News Possible war with North Korea

  1. May 25, 2010 #1
    I'm wondering what kind of impact an outbreak of war will have on the American troops. Being in the reserves right now, I'm becoming nervous.

    I honestly don't see how it can be avoided now. The North Koreans have begun to gird themselves, and the South Koreans and the US can't ignore or backdown from a deliberate attack on a warship.
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    The army doesn't do jungles. Been there, didn't like it - not doing it again.

    Reruns are never popular.

    We are a little bit over committed at the moment. Even leaving out the military logistics you are going to be scraping the barrel for entertainers. Fighting a jungle war in SE Asia is bad enough - but imagine if the USNO concert is by David Hasselhof.

    N Korea's major resource is Kimchi. "No blood for pickled Cabbage" looks silly on a protest banner.

    Obvious place to outsource the job to is China. Seem to be having difficulty persuading China that invading 3rd world countries for their natural resources is part of being a free capitalist democracy.

    So what can you do?
    Admittedly sanctions are tricky when they having nothing anyone else wants (especially Kimchi) and nobody else has anything they can afford.
    Best solution is probably the Cuba/East Germany model. Wait for dictator to die, regime falls apart then the population can move into the neighboring country and become petty criminals/hookers.

    Remember this is a last gasp attempt by the N Korean government to get public opinion on it's side. The Americans invade and it's a "rally around the beloved leader to repel the foreign invaders".

    It's like if you wanted to boost recruitment for any terrorist group the best way to do it would be to invade another country with no involvement and kill a bunch of civilians, then a large number of people switch from "those al Queda nutters are giving islam a bad name" to "they are our only hope to stop the evil Americans killing us all"
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    It tested one underground device that was a partial fizzle, it's a long way from an Ivy mike type test to something that can be used on an ICBM.
    As we have seen UN reports on 'rouge states' military capability can owe more to political expediency than technical accuracy.
  6. May 25, 2010 #5
    I don't think they would care about an ICBM at this point. All they have to do it drop one over Seoul which is close to border, or drop one close to US/Korean navy ships.
  7. May 25, 2010 #6
    I highly doubt it matters to South Korea that NK doesn't have ICBMs :rofl:. I honestly hate when people use that logic.

    I would say a war with NK is highly unlikely however if it DOES occur and America got involved I feel safe in saying that it doesn't matter if NK had the world's largest army, they would still get stomped. They may over spend on their military and they might have a crap-load of people in the military but it's still peanuts compared to what a developed nation spends on its military.
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    I recall another war in recent history that the US entered into with that philosophy...
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  10. May 25, 2010 #9
    I seriously doubt that North Korea would have the military support of China to fight on their side this time. I think the Chinese would allow the regime to fall and then insist the the US stop interfering.

    The US's ability to fight conventional wars has never been in doubt. It's the unconventional that gives us problems. Without China fighting for them they would lose badly. Especially if they decide to use nuclear arms.

    Thats not to say it would be an easy win, the fighting will be terrible. They just don't have the resources to win.
  11. May 25, 2010 #10
    On the political / grand strategic level, I agree with mgb_phys, there is little to prove and little to gain with another war. We should not seek it and inter-state conflicts With China's help it should be possible to prevent it. However there is an ally at gunpoint. South Korea, and it's not looking good.


    On the strategical level, things are not looking good for N-Korea. They appear to be rather vulnerable for a [URL [Broken] Warden III[/url] type of air strategy.
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  12. May 25, 2010 #11
    That is just it, the war would be against the regime. Their would be no other benefits. It would be in China's interest if they fought on the side of the South Koreans, if they want North Korea to remain Communist.
  13. May 25, 2010 #12
    So my question is who would be in the axis of evil and who would be the axis of good this time around?
  14. May 25, 2010 #13
    Why do you continue to post at these forums. :rofl:.
  15. May 25, 2010 #14
    It would be more like the ocean of good and the islands of evil. (From our perspective)
    I think the only country that doesn't roll their eyes when talking to North Korea is Iran.
  16. May 25, 2010 #15
    Ya but the russians back iran/north korea to an point. Also I suspect china would side with north korea also. So if south korea and north korea go at it you could have russia and china supporting. And the US is likely to just sit it out so this could be leading to a big power play by china possibly? I'm sure china would love to get there hands on korea.
  17. May 25, 2010 #16
    got to wonder just how much food NK has stored up, and just how long they could sustain a war.
  18. May 25, 2010 #17
    Thats just it, I think that the Chinese are just as likely to take over in North Korea as they don't want them slinging nukes on their doorstep anymore than they want them slaughtering the South Koreans.
  19. May 25, 2010 #18
    What makes you think china cares about the south koreans so much?
  20. May 25, 2010 #19
    The new emerging lead super-power can't be seen condoning the slaughter of a peaceful people in such a public way. They would also risk open war with the United States and her allies. You would actually see a possible WW3 if China sided with a near lunatic in a war. Their best options are to either stay neutral or to aid in a regime change. If they want North Korea to reamain communist, they need to make the regime change.
  21. May 25, 2010 #20
    Ok your right so how about the iran aspect? They might try something funny during this you think?
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