Nah, still in high school :rofl:
What textbook are you guys using for 18.101? Spivak's?
What textbook are you guys using for 18.101? Spivak's?
Why the music courses? :sEntering my junior year in a double major, (1) physics (2) math w/ cs
8.05 Quantum Physics II (formalism)
8.13 Experimental Physics I (Junior Lab)
18.404 Theory of Computation
18.101 Analysis and Manifolds
21M.423 Conducting and Score Reading :)
21M.421 Symphony Orchestra
Actually, I'd also like to know... has anyone here ever gone to Washington State University? If so, is this a good starting freshman schedule?My schedule as a college freshman:
World Civilizations I - As WSU says, "Integrated study in social, political, and philosophical/religious systems in early civilizations." It's a GER...
Multivariable Calculus - Well, you can figure out what's covered here. We're using Chapters 10.6-13.9 of Stewart's "Essential Calculus (Early Transcendentals)". If someone could tell me what to expect of the textbook, it would be useful.
Chemistry 191 - This is just like Konst's Modern Physics Topics I class, but for Chemistry.
The United States Army - Role of the Army in contemporary society. Taken because I might go ROTC to help pay for college.
Physics 201 w/ Lab - Calculus-based physics; topics in motion and dynamics of particles and rigid bodies, vibrations, wave phenomena, and the laws of thermodynamics.
What do you think?
Which is exactly the same here. I have (this semester) 27 hours per week (credits) plus laboratory work (scientific initiation, mostly, which adds up 20 hours) and still there's outside studying.Probably because the terms "hour", "unit", and "credit" mean the same thing - it depends on the regional dialect.
A 3-unit class typically means 3 hours of lecture a week. For work outside of class, a general rule of thumb is 2 to 4 hours of outside study for every hour of lecture (that can vary widely of course).
So if someone says that their class load is "12 hours", that means ~12 hours of lecture + ~36 hours of study = ~48 hours of work, per week.
Well, I lived in Turkey for 6 years and my dad did his undergrad in mech eng there. He says that he graduated with almost 200 credits , which is a lot compared to north american standards. But apparently they give out much less homework and the instruction is much less concept based. I must agree to, here in high school I have many more assignments than in Turkey and (even though they are easy) It would take an averge student here longer to finish them than in Turkey. I think it would be similar in Brazil as well since Turkey and Brazil seem to be similar developing countries.Which is exactly the same here. I have (this semester) 27 hours per week (credits) plus laboratory work (scientific initiation, mostly, which adds up 20 hours) and still there's outside studying.
Well most of the video lectures they offer are for freshman classes (well MIT at least I don't know about the others). Here in North America most freshmen years are equivalent to the last year of high school elsewhere (Europe in particular). So the classes here are at a lower level in general. But MIT doesn't have video lectures of it's advanced freshmen courses. And believe me some of them are quite intense (ever studied Apostol's calculus? take a look at it). Anyways the point is you are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. I have a friend in MIT, he just finished his freshmen year, and he took analysis based on Rudin! (He is an IMO gold medalist) so the courses vary greatly according to there audience.Plus, I'm not sure if it's a general rule, but I've watched MIT/Yale/Stanford online courses and they seem to be weaker and a lot less deeper than most of my classes, so I have to ask it, because despite those universities are considered to be three of the best universities in the world, their program seems very weak.
Hmm, yes I see you're point. I guess that's it's a developing country thing: the amount of class hours you have. How does this affect a student's ability to absorb the material? I find this quite interesting actually. (Well for the gifted it doesn't make a much a difference, they always manage to keep up).Yeah, I suppose they must have a stronger program somehow. I studied Spivak's Calculus (which seems to be very similar to Apostol's from what I've seen) last semester, by the way.
My entire course has roughly 260 credits in its basic curriculum and way over 350 credits if you count labs and optional disciplines.
The first (and sometimes second and third as well) semester is also a recapitulation of most High School's contents that will be useful to the desired course. USA High School has something we don't: Calculus (I have studied Calculus in High School for Olympiads, but it's not taught in school).
Another thing that I've heard from one of my professors is that our regular course (Bachelor's) is equivalent (in content) to most European Master's programs (specially Portugal's). And this problem is quite annoying, as most students receive a research interchange from well-known European Universities, such as INSAs, École Polytechnique, University of Berlim, and sometimes get into a lot of bureaucracy because our program is different.
I can't really say that you have to study three hours per class hour because I am still a freshmen, but I did notice an increasing of difficult from High School to University and I wasn't really used to study too much. Still I hear a lot of scary stuff of how the course gets harder.
Also, the amount of credits I said is not a particular characteristic of my University, but from most Brazilian Universities, that's why I found the low amount of credits on most alien colleges to be weird.
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I don't think it is, to be honest. I think you will find this to be true of wherever outside North America (and possibly Australia) you go. Granted, I don't know the ins and outs of all of the European countries' systems, and especially not the rest of the world's, but I live in the EU and have also gone on an exchange to Belgium, and from what I gathered is if you actually attend classes you'd be hard-pressed to find a university or course where you'd have less weekly hours than what Hobold is mentioning. For example, my first undergraduate degree was in Law, and we had around 30 hours of lectures easily. Some friends that studied Biochemistry and Pharmacy told me that combined with labs they had an even tougher schedule. And this really does strike me as peculiar, because I don't have the feeling the US and Canada lack in the department of great university undergrads (there is a whole lot of outstanding ones, it seems, especially judging by the fact that there is a lot of prominent scientists winning Nobel prizes schooled there). And I guess I'll find in a month or so how that ties up together, but it's just something I never could really figure out, because the load really does seem quite easy at first glance (!) compared to European universities *knock on wood*. Hopefully those words won't haunt me someday :) Your point about more homework and such might be a fair explanation, though, and, well, there has to be something there I (and others like Hobold) am not seeing when just looking at the number of hours one spends in class and labs in North America.Hmm, yes I see you're point. I guess that's it's a developing country thing: the amount of class hours you have.
Hey, we both go to the same schoolFall 2010 (prospective Physics major, if I don't chicken out)
PHYS 1116 Mechanics & Special Relativity (Honors)
MATH 1920 Multivariable Calculus for Engineers
ASTRO 2211 Stars, Galaxies And Cosmology
JWST 1101 Elementary Modern Hebrew I
ANTHR 3255 Ancient Mexico and Central America
Each is four credits, so twenty credits in total.
Things did not go as planned-I had to go back and correct some major deficienciesIf all goes well during the summer sessions (precalc I and II), it will be: