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News Povertenza vs. Affluenza

  1. Dec 13, 2013 #1
    This is a pretty amazingly disgusting decision by the judge IMO

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/12/affluenza-defense-probation-for-deadly-dwi_n_4430807.html [Broken]

    http://ourlegaci.com/2013/12/13/please-excuse-davontaye-he-suffers-from-povertenza/
     
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  3. Dec 13, 2013 #2

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    Sending that kid to jail for a dose of poverty would have cured his "afluenza".
     
  4. Dec 13, 2013 #3

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    http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/national_world&id=9357246
    Oh, jail can be very theraputic. And probably more effective than the ritzy place in Newport Beach...
     
  5. Dec 13, 2013 #4

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    Yeah, where's the logic in 'oh he's never had rules enforced on him before', 'Oh OK then we won't enforce them this time either'.
     
  6. Dec 13, 2013 #5
    "10 years of probation"
    Putting off what will happen I believe.
     
  7. Dec 13, 2013 #6

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    If he is on the outside and being pampered, it will probably not put off his next DUI vehicular homicide. At least if he's on the inside, he can't get drunk and get into his beemer...
     
  8. Dec 14, 2013 #7
    If I was 16 and had that kind of lawyer I wouldn't "get the message". I'd figure I could beat the system again,
     
  9. Dec 14, 2013 #8

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    Exactly what I was thinking. He hasn't learned any lessons about taking responsibility for his actions, just the opposite.
     
  10. Dec 14, 2013 #9

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    and he'll go to work on Wall Street as a banker or financier, and maybe he'll become a congressperson. :biggrin:

    My sister told me of a similar story of a 16-year old whose dad bought him a Humvee. I don't see why a kid needs such a large vehicle, other than the parents have lots of money and can afford to spoil the kid. Anyway, the kid ran a stop sign (while possibly exceeding the speed limit) and killed another motorist. I don't remember the outcome or punishment the kid received.
     
  11. Dec 14, 2013 #10

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    That I doubt. He does have a record now if not jail time and most of the schools that would grant admission to Wall Street look at criminal records. And though it is no substitute for a criminal sentence, still to come are the wrongful death liability suits where "probation" is not among the possible outcomes.

    The article does not make clear if this was a felony conviction. As for Congress (or the like), a couple years some congressman ran a stop sign and killed somebody (not intoxicated). The felony conviction (manslaughter) means you're done in Congress.
     
  12. Dec 14, 2013 #11

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    Wow, watch the last video. This kid has multiple prior arrests, the most recent being alcohol related. He was caught running away from the scene of the crime, and was earlier heard in the background on a phone call telling a friend "I'm Ethan Couch, Ill get you out of this". As if his family can do anything to get out of legal troubles, and they just proved once again, oh yes they can.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/12/health/affluenza-youth/
     
  13. Dec 14, 2013 #12

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    Possible future try:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xsiUJ_sxLM
     
  14. Dec 17, 2015 #13

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    Update - 'Affluenza' Teen May Have 'Had a Head Start' in Avoiding Authorities
    https://gma.yahoo.com/affluenza-tee...thorities-175838782--abc-news-topstories.html

    Seems Mr. Crouch has decided to flee. Apparently probation is too tough, or inconvenient.

    How is it that someone kills 4 people and gets probation, while many who get convicted for lesser crimes (e.g., possession for marijuana) go to prison. Something very wrong with this picture.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/affluenza-teen-investigation-beer-pong-video-surfaces/story?id=35579306
     
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  16. Dec 29, 2015 #15

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    Reminiscent of Animal House. epilogue scene ?

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  17. Dec 29, 2015 #16

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  18. Dec 31, 2015 #17
    I know nothing about the families of the victims. However, in some parts of this great country of ours, this incident would generate several score kinfolk with a wide variety of firearms and edged weapons and imaginative ideas on how best to use them.
     
  19. Dec 31, 2015 #18
    Sweet, sweet belated justice.
     
  20. Jan 6, 2016 #19

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ethan-couch-attorney-fernando-benitez-fights-deportation-from-mexico/

    'Affluenza' Teen Drank at Strip Club in Mexico
    https://gma.yahoo.com/affluenza-teen-drank-strip-club-mexico-210546294--abc-news-topstories.html [Broken]

    The US government is working on extraditing Couch. His mother was deported by Mexico already and is in jail in Los Angeles.
     
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  21. Jan 8, 2016 #20

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    'Affluenza' teen's mom complains about jail conditions
    http://news.yahoo.com/affluenza-teens-mom-complains-jail-conditions-171652305.html [Broken]
    :rolleyes:
     
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  22. Jan 26, 2016 #21

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    'Affluenza' teen Ethan Couch drops Mexico appeal, returns in 1 or 2 days
    http://news.yahoo.com/affluenza-teen-drops-mexico-appeal-returns-1-2-183732234.html [Broken]
     
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  23. Jan 29, 2016 #22

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    ‘Affluenza’ Teen Returns to the United States
    http://news.yahoo.com/affluenza-teen-returns-united-states-222402038.html

    He's had two years to grow up, as well as apologize to the victims families. It appears he decided not to do so, but instead violated probation and then fled the country to avoid arrest. I think he needs to go to court as an adult.
     
  24. Jan 29, 2016 #23
    He needs prison time for manslaughter.
     
  25. Jan 29, 2016 #24

    jim hardy

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    I guess there's no "toxic parent" statute ?

    When, as Gracie Slick observed "logic and proportion have fallen softly dead",
    Old Time Religion serves a need.
     
  26. Jan 29, 2016 #25
    @Boolean Boogay, "He needs prison time for manslaughter."

    I respectfully disagree. He had his day in court, and he was handed down his sentence. No double jeopardy. If anything, this unfolding of events has bolstened the "affluenza" defense, which I think is BS, but anyways (as Lenny Susskind likes to say :oldsmile:)...

    Plus, this guy was a stupid high school kid who got drunk and got behind the wheel of a car and plowed into some folks and killed them. Terrible yes, premeditated? I don't think so, and that's the important point. As far as the shenanigans after that, it's almost so comical as not to be believed, but no one has gotten (physically) injured, at least. What punishment he and his mom should face for those shenanigans is subject to debate, but the sentence should fit the crime and not the hype, IMHO.

    What boggles my mind is why did this kid want to spend two months in a Mexican jail when he knew that he'd eventually have to face justice in the USA? Why not just get it over with? And what justice? 4 months in jail. Big deal. So now he ends up spending 6 months in jail? 4 in the USA and 2 in Mexico? Why didn't he just come right back and get it over with? Has someone dug deeper into this the story who can enlighten me on this?
     
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