News POWs Geneva Convention

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I just saw Donald Rumsfeld on TV, complaining about the way Iraq treats the American soldiers it has captured, sating it is against the Geneva Convention on POWs to put them on TV. Personally I think his real problem is the demoralisation of US troops from such things. But the important point is: Why bring up the Geneva Convention now, if he was ignoraing it completely for Afghanistan? Remember those guys sitting in Cuba? Pot calling the kettle black, eh? Hypocrisy, anyone?
 
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damgo

Yeah, the irony is classic. Not to mention that US television has been broadcasting film of Iraqi prisoners...
 
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Saddam is now giving anyone a 17k reward for any G.I. head. Real nice!
 
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Nicool003

On the news tonight a Philipene woman in Mexico who subscribes to a philipeno tv station saw her son as one of the prisoners of war that the iraq's captured and had on their television.
 

schwarzchildradius

"Saddam is now giving anyone a 17k reward for any G.I. head. Real nice!"

And 2x that for live prisoners. That's why they look so happy. BTW Russia supplied Iraq with night vision goggles & other equipment in February.
 
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I am sure Iraq will treat POWs as well as the US is treating Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
 

Njorl

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Originally posted by Laser Eyes
I am sure Iraq will treat POWs as well as the US is treating Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
They should certainly be treated much better. Khalid Sheik Mohammad is accused of being a terrorist. He was captured in a country which he entered illegally. He is not protected by any treaty other than international human rights treaties. The American POW's are protected by the Geneva convention.

Many Iraqi soldiers seem to be trying to lose their protection under the Geneva Convention. They are engaging in combat while out of uniform and attacking while under a flag of surrender. These actions subject them to all sorts of harsh treatment. It is clear they are trying to coax Americans into shooting at civilians or genuinely surrendering soldiers.

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Originally posted by Njorl
They should certainly be treated much better.
No offence intended but while reading your post I had to think of the following:

Khalid Sheik Mohammad is accused of being a terrorist.
So is Bush and so are American soldiers...

He was captured in a country which he entered illegally.
Uhhmmmm..... Same here for your soldiers

He is not protected by any treaty other than international human rights treaties. The American POW's are protected by the Geneva convention.
Njorl
I'm not sure wether there is a major differnece between the two. They generally state that you should treat people with at least a little bit of respect. They also state that it isn't allowed to torture etc.
 

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Heumpje,
You have arbitrarily decided that there is no difference between war and terrorism. The vast majority of the governments of the world disagree with you.
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You have arbitrarily decided that there is no difference between war and terrorism. The vast majority of the governments of the world disagree with you.
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War is simply terrorism on a larger scale.
 

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The problem for me is the idea that some people have more right to humane treatment than others.
 

kyleb

no kidding, for some odd reason it seems that many belive the idea of "all men are created equal" only applies to the point of creation and looses value after that.
 

Zero

Originally posted by kyleb
no kidding, for some odd reason it seems that many belive the idea of "all men are created equal" only applies to the point of creation and looses value after that.
Debating whether someone is a POW or not, and suggesting that we can treat everyone else in an inhumane way, is a betrayal of American ideals.
 

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I never suggested that Khalid Sheik Mohammed should be treated inhumanely. I simply stated that POW's have more rights than common crimminals. Do you think they shouldn't?

Besides, he is a prisoner of Pakistani intelligence, not the US. Of course, that is cause for concern. Pakistani intelligence is dominated by Muslim fundementalists, and they are notorious human rights abusers.

Njorl
 

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Originally posted by Njorl
I never suggested that Khalid Sheik Mohammed should be treated inhumanely. I simply stated that POW's have more rights than common crimminals. Do you think they shouldn't?

Besides, he is a prisoner of Pakistani intelligence, not the US. Of course, that is cause for concern. Pakistani intelligence is dominated by Muslim fundementalists, and they are notorious human rights abusers.

Njorl
Good point about Pakistan...but there was(and is) much talk about turning prisoners over to less 'squeamish' countries to do teh torturing for America.
 

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Why bring up the Geneva Convention now, if he was ignoraing it completely for Afghanistan? Remember those guys sitting in Cuba? Pot calling the kettle black, eh? Hypocrisy, anyone?
Huh? The men in Cuba are prisoners of war. They are being treated in accordance with the Geneva convention. And I don't recall us shooting any of them in the head.
Yeah, the irony is classic. Not to mention that US television has been broadcasting film of Iraqi prisoners...
That is misleading. The US is *NOT* broadcasting interrogations.

Kyle and Adam, 30 and 50 year old stores? Please. One has no source info - in fact it appears to be a personal website. The other, omg....
Put in charge of one compound, Major Bancroft discovered mail had not been delivered to prisoners for four months. "It became evident that US officers and soldiers ... thought the Chinese and Korean prisoners were oriental cattle who were to be given different treatment to a European." In one case, he saw a prisoners' representative addressed as "You slant-eyed, yellow bastard."
Iraq is shooting POW's in the head and you are worried about North Korean POW's from 50 years ago not getting regular MAIL and being called NAMES!!!?? What kind of MONSTER are you?
I am sure Iraq will treat POWs as well as the US is treating Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
Is he dead yet? If not, he's got one up on MOST of the Americans Iraq captured.
War is simply terrorism on a larger scale.
Simply wrong. At least look it up in the dictionary.
 

kyleb

you call me a monster for pointing out the inhuman acts committed by our military in the hopes it might sway people from condoning war? i don't think i want to know what you would consider good.
 
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Besides, he is a prisoner of Pakistani intelligence, not the US. Of course, that is cause for concern. Pakistani intelligence is dominated by Muslim fundementalists, and they are notorious human rights abusers.
No he is a prisoner of the CIA at the US airbase in Kabul where he is being tortured by the country that does not commit torture.
 

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you call me a monster for pointing out the inhuman acts committed by our military in the hopes it might sway people from condoning war? i don't think i want to know what you would consider good
No, I call you a monster for insinuating that the torture and murder of americans is equivalent to us calling other countries' pows names and not giving them mail. At least apply your standards equally. Of course thats the whole problem though - the US is held to a HIGHER standard than the rest of the world and though we generally meet it, there is no such thing as perfect.

What I consider good is America's following the Geneva convention. What I consider bad is Iraq's breaking of pretty much every protocol. I'll go further to say historically (in the past 100 years anyway) the US is MILES above our enemies morally when it comes to the treatment of POW's.

Kyleb, you seriously made me nauseous when I first read that.
 
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kyleb

nauseous? that is what happens to sick people.
 

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Grow up Kyle.
 

Nicool003

you call me a monster for pointing out the inhuman acts committed by our military in the hopes it might sway people from condoning war? i don't think i want to know what you would consider good.
That is pitiful. How about the sick ungrateful acts of people like you! Why don't you go live with saddam!!! He has a nice 2 by 4 you can sleep on in his damned bunker!
 

damgo

russ -- I was watching CNN when one of the embedded reporters was filming some of the Iraqi prisoners! The anchor even mentioned "by the way, showing video of POWs might be construed to be against the Geneva Convention" beforehand. Granted, it is the US media doing this; there was no evidence of active govt participation as with the American POWs.

Also, human rights organizations -- the Red Cross, Amnesty International -- have been roundly critiquing US violations of the Geneva conventions ever since the War on Terror started. We've "rendered" (lovely word, no?) people to countries like Pakistan, which are known to torture their prisoners... that's not only disgusting in and of itself, but a violation of the Convention. We keep Taliban prisoners indefinitely at Guantanamo, refusing to repatriate or identify them... another violation. Both of these are IMO somewhat more important provisions than asking a few questions on film. The adminstration's claim is that Taliban are not POWs hence Geneva is not applicable... but they refuse to allow an 'independent tribunal' to verify this, also required by Geneva.

Pointing these things out isn't pro-Saddam or anti-American; we just want to keep the USA in the right place. It honestly makes me ill and angry to think that my country is handing over people for torture.
 

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