Problem, where is the mistake ?

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In summary, the conversation discusses a drawing with two rods, one of which is moving at 0.866 times the speed of light. The pictures are taken from the perspective of the stationary rod. In the first scenario, a ray of light reaches the ends of both rods simultaneously, but due to the difference in speed, the clocks on the moving rod show a reading of 0 while the clocks on the stationary rod show a reading of 0.5. In the second scenario, after 10 nanoseconds, the light reaches the left end of the stationary rod, but the clocks on the moving rod show a reading of 5 nanoseconds due to the relativity of simultaneity. The conversation then discusses the correct formula for
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Referring to the attached drawing:
Two rods 3m long. Rod A is moving at 0,866 c from right to left.
The pictures are taken from the point of view of rod B.

( 1 )In 1 a ray of ligth reaches the end of both rods. It happens that the reading of the clocks at rod A and rod B is 0.
Because v = 0.866 *c -> l´= l * 0.5 , that's why the left end of rod A is at the middle point of rod B.

( 2 )In 2 after 10 ns ( at clocks on rod B ) the light reaches the left end of rod B, assuming c = 30 cm/ns.
Rod A has moved 0.866 * c * 30 ns/cm = 260 cm.

But, because t'= t *0.5, the reading on clocks at rod A is 5 ns. So the light has moved, in the frame of reference of A, 150 cm -> the light must be at the middle of rod A, and it isn't according to the explained in ( 2 ). Where is the mistake ?
 

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alvaros said:
Where is the mistake ?
You have the wrong formula for t'. The correct formula is:

t' = γ(t-vx/c²)

Your formula neglects the relativity of simultaneity.
 
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Thank you for the answer. I made a google search and I found your formula, but I don't know how to apply it ( what does x mean ? )

Could you resolve the problem with numbers ?
Is the drawing 1 correct ? ( the left end of rod A is at the middle of rod B ? )
Where is the right end of rod A when the ligth reaches the left end or rod B ?
 

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