# Homework Help: Problem with corservation laws

1. Jun 10, 2007

### Petrulis

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Here is the drawing which shows the situation:

http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=monkeygn4.jpg

The disc is weightless. There is a rope which is rolled over the disc. A monkey is fastened at the point A. At the point B there is a body bound to rope. The mass of the monkey is equal to the mass of the body, so at the beginning the system is in balance. The monkey starts to move up the rope with speed v in respect of the rope. How will the body (which is bound at the point B) move while the monkey will be climbing up the rope?

3. The attempt at a solution

The monkey and rope are initially at rest, but then the monkey starts moving along the rope at speed V (relative to rope). It doesn't say how long it takes the monkey to reach that speed from rest, but let's call that time "t".

It also doesn't say whether the rope moves or stays stationary while this acceleration is taking place. But let's assume that the rope moves down (on the monkey's side) at speed V_r, while the monkey moves up (relative to the ground) at speed V_m. The monkey's speed V along the rope, is a combination of those two speeds: V = V_m + V_r.

So, the monkey accelerates upward at rate of V_m/t. Also, the only forces acting on the monkey are the rope's tension T, and the monkey's weight mg. So, by Newton's 2nd Law:

Fnet = m*a

T - mg = m*V_m/t

or:

T = m*V_m/t + mg

or:

T = m(V - V_r)/t + mg

Now, the object on the other side of the rope feels this same tension T at the same time. Therefore, its upward acceleration is:

A_o = (T - mg) / m

= (m(V - V_r)/t + mg - mg) / m

= (V - V_r)/t

But we also know that the rope is going up (on the object's side) at speed V_r after t seconds. So another expression for the object's upward acceleration is:

A_o = V_r/t

combining this with the previous equation gives:

V - V_r = V_r

or:

V_r = V/2

Furthermore, since V = V_m + V_r, we have:

V_m = V - V_r = V - V/2 = V/2

So this means the monkey's upward speed (V_m) relative to the ground, is V/2. And the object's upward speed (V_r) is also V/2.

Well, it is what my brain have done to solve this problem. Isn't here any mistakes? And this solution is quite long. Maybe there is a shorter way to reach the answer without using parameters like t (maybe using angular momentum conservation law)?

2. Jun 11, 2007

### Petrulis

Please somebody have a look :)