Proof Exercise II: Real Numbers and Squares

In summary, the conversation discusses the proof that if x and y are positive real numbers and x < y, then x^2 < y^2. It is explained that this can be proven by showing that if x < y, then there exists a positive number z such that y^2 = x^2 + 2xz + z^2. This can also be proven by using the properties of positive numbers and inequalities, such as the fact that multiplying by a positive number preserves inequalities.
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Homework Statement



Suppose ##x## and ##y## are positive real numbers.If ##x < y## , then ##x^2 < y^2##.

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Assume ##x<y## with ##x,y \in ℝ^+##.This implies that ##\exists z \in ℝ^+## such that ##x+z=y##.We have ##y^2 = (x+z)^2 = x^2 + 2xz + z^2## , and this proves that if ##x < y## with ##x,y \in ℝ^+## , then ##x^2 < y^2##.

any thoughts on that one? Thank you!
 
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hi reenmachine! :wink:

yes, that looks fine :smile:

(alternatively, you could factor y2 - x2)
 
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You only need to know that if ##x>0##, ##y>0## and ##x<y## then ##x+y>0## and ##x-y<0##.

Also, if ##a>0## and ##b<0## then ##ab<0##.
 
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You need to explain why [itex]2xz + z^2[/itex] is strictly positive. It is obvious, but then so is the result you're trying to prove.

An alternative proof is that if [itex]0 < x < y[/itex] then, since multiplying by a positive number preserves inequalities, we have [itex]x^2 < xy[/itex] on multiplying by [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]xy < y^2[/itex] on multiplying by [itex]y[/itex]. Putting these together we have [itex]x^2 < xy < y^2[/itex].
 
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tiny-tim said:
hi reenmachine! :wink:

yes, that looks fine :smile:

(alternatively, you could factor y2 - x2)

Hi! :)

thank you for taking the time to respond!
 
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pasmith said:
You need to explain why [itex]2xz + z^2[/itex] is strictly positive. It is obvious, but then so is the result you're trying to prove.

An alternative proof is that if [itex]0 < x < y[/itex] then, since multiplying by a positive number preserves inequalities, we have [itex]x^2 < xy[/itex] on multiplying by [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]xy < y^2[/itex] on multiplying by [itex]y[/itex]. Putting these together we have [itex]x^2 < xy < y^2[/itex].

I thought the fact that [itex]2xz + z^2[/itex] is positive was obvious from the fact x and z are in ##R^+##...

I like your way of doing it , pretty good road to the proof.

thank you!
 

1. What is the purpose of Proof Exercise II: Real Numbers and Squares?

The purpose of this exercise is to strengthen your understanding of real numbers and squares, as well as your ability to write mathematical proofs.

2. How do I prove that a number is a perfect square?

To prove that a number is a perfect square, you need to show that it can be written as the square of an integer. This can be done by taking the square root of the number and showing that the result is a whole number.

3. Can you give an example of a proof involving real numbers and squares?

Sure, here's an example: Prove that the square root of 2 is an irrational number. This can be done by assuming that the square root of 2 is rational, and then showing that this leads to a contradiction.

4. Is there a specific format for writing proofs?

While there is no set format for writing proofs, it is important to clearly state your assumptions, provide logical reasoning, and conclude with the desired result. It can also be helpful to use mathematical notation and diagrams when appropriate.

5. How can I improve my skills in writing mathematical proofs?

Practice is the key to improving your skills in writing mathematical proofs. It can also be helpful to read and study well-written proofs, and to seek feedback from others on your own proofs. Additionally, familiarizing yourself with different proof techniques and strategies can enhance your abilities.

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