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Quantum Mechanics - question about spin

  1. Oct 22, 2005 #1
    Given [tex]S=\frac{1}{2}\hbar{\sigma} [/tex] where [tex]\sigma = \left(\left(\begin{array}{cc}0&1\\1&0\end{array}\right),\left(\begin{array}{cc}0&-i\\i&0\end{array}\right),\left(\begin{array}{cc}1&0\\0&-1\end{array}\right)\right) [/tex], show that
    [tex] |+> = \left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\0\end{array}\right) [/tex] and [tex] |-> = \left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\1\end{array}\right) [/tex] are the eigenfunctions for [tex] S_z [/tex] . Obtain the matrix representation for [tex] S_y [/tex] and [tex] S_x [/tex] in the basis [tex] (|+>,|->)[/tex] .
     
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  3. Oct 23, 2005 #2

    George Jones

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    [tex]S_{z} = \frac{1}{2}\hbar \sigma_z[/tex]

    What happens when [tex]S_{z}[/tex] operates on [tex]\left| + \right>[/tex]?

    How is a matrix representation (with respect to a basis) of an operator found? You've basically written down the final answer.

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    George
     
  4. Oct 23, 2005 #3

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    The first part is just an eigenvalue problem. From the matrix for Sz, find the eigenvalues (and eigenvectors) from the characteristic (and eigenvalue) equation.
     
  5. Oct 23, 2005 #4

    George Jones

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    The is the comprehensive way to do things, which is probably a good idea, but it not strictly necessary to do this in order to show that |+> and |-> are eignevectors of S_z.

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    George
     
  6. Oct 23, 2005 #5

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    Oh, they've already given you the eigenvectors ! Yes, that would be unnecessary then.
     
  7. Oct 23, 2005 #6
    The original question was exactly the same as I've written here. Initially when I look at the question, I was dumbfounded.
    The first part of the question, I would agree with Gokul43201 on finding the characteristic equation first.
    How about the second part of the question? How do you find the matrix representation? I really have no idea.
     
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  8. Oct 23, 2005 #7

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    I'm a little puzzled too...
    As George said above, you can do it this way, if you wish, but it's not necessary. All you have to do is operate Sz on |+> and |-> and show what happens.

    This is the weird part. What are you supposed to start from ? The matrix representation is what you're actually given.

    The matrix form comes from the outer-product representation of those operators (by writing their own eigenkets as suitable linear combinations of the eigenkets of Sz).

    Is this from a textbook ? If so, which one ?
     
  9. Oct 24, 2005 #8
    It's a past year exam question. I wonder how the students did for this question. IMO, if the question was phrased in another way, like, prove that the matrix representation for ... is .... Then, it should be ok.
     
  10. Oct 24, 2005 #9

    George Jones

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    If [tex]A[/tex] is a linear operator on an n-dimensional vector space [tex]V[/tex], then the matrix representation of [tex]A[/tex] with respect to the basis [tex]\{v_{1}, \dots , v_{n} \}[/tex] of [tex]V[/tex] is given by

    [tex]
    A v_{i} = \sum_{j} A_{ji} v_{j}.
    [/tex].

    In this case, [tex]V = \mathbb{R}^{2}[/tex], [tex]v_{1} = |+> = \left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\0\end{array}\right)[/tex] and [tex]v_{2} = |-> = \left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\1\end{array}\right)[/tex].

    The case where [tex]v_{1} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left(\begin{array}{cc}1\\1\end{array}\right)[/tex] and [tex]v_{2} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left(\begin{array}{cc}-1\\1\end{array}\right)[/tex] is more interesting.

    Regards,
    George
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2005
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