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Quantum Theologica: Volume 1

  1. Jul 2, 2004 #1
    When I say Quantum Theologica, I'm talking about the relation between the Macroscopic and the Microscopic. In this 1st volume I will discuss 3 areas related to Quantum Theologica. First, aspects of the Resurrected body, second the invisible reality of the Creation of the universe and third David Bohm's theory of an Implicate and Explicate Order.

    Resurrected Body

    In Quantum Theologica the proposition is made that some aspects of the Ressurected Body is supported by Quantum Physics. For example, after the Resurrection, Christ materializes in the same room as the disciples (Luke 24:36-37, John 20:19). Going through walls might not be achieved on a macroscopic level but on a microsocpic and macroscopic level combined it is extremely plausible. This ties in to David Bohm's theory of an implicate and explicate order, which I will get into later. Sub- atomic particles can tunnel through an energy barrier and materialize on the other side. Also, a particle can be in two places at the same time, this was learned through the double-slit experiment. In short, this experiment shows the wave-particle duality of light. This shows that one aspect of a Resurrected Body is that it is able to travel as a sub-atomic particle(microscopic) but appear as a measuring device(macroscopic). I believe after death you still exist in a Quantum state, which I will discuss in Volume 2. I also believe what is seen as supernatural is more natural in reality. In other words, where we appear on our worldline is how we percieve events. Nature testifies to God's Divine Hand in Creation, I will also get deeper into this in Volume 2. In our Ressurected bodies we should be able to go back and forth between the microscopic state and the macroscopic state. The interconnection that has been broken will be re-connected through the Saving Grace of Jesus Christ. Quantum Cosmology is an example of combining the macroscopic and the microscopic worlds. We all also have a Schrodinger's probability wave and if we could see it, it would resemble our bodies. The wave function is connected to our bodies(measuring device), this is supported by the Copenhagen Interpretation.

    Invisible Reality of Creation

    For the invisible things (sub-atomic particles) of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (Us), even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:20

    This verse and others clearly state that we would clearly understand the invisible "things" of Creation. In other words, we would CLEARLY see these "invisible" things that were present at the Creation of the world. It also says we would understand these things. Most of the universe is invisible and unknown, the visible matter makes up a little over 4% of the universe, the rest is dark energy and dark matter. Scientist still don't know why dark energy is repulsive instead of attractive and they don't know all the properties of dark matter. This brings to mind another verse:

    For by him were all things Created, that are in Heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were Created by him, and for him: Colossians 1:16


    Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen (matter) were not made of things which do appear (sub-atomic particles). Hebrews 11:3

    The word framed is the Greek word katartizo.

    In other words, the fine-tuning of the worlds was completed in imaginary time and it manifest itself in real time as the laws of physics which governs the universe.

    Stephen Hawking writes:

    Quantum theory introduces a new idea, that of imaginary time. Imaginary time may sound like science fiction, and it has been brought into Doctor Who [an English Star Trek]. But never the less, it is a genuine scientific concept. One can picture it in the following way. One can think of ordinary, real, time as a horizontal line. On the left, one has the past, and on the right, the future. But there's another kind of time in the vertical direction. This is called imaginary time, because it is not the kind of time we normally experience. But in a sense, it is just as real, as what we call real time.

    Later he writes:

    This might suggest that the so-called imaginary time is really the real time, and that what we call real time is just a figment of our imaginations. In real time, the universe has a beginning and an end at singularities that form a boundary to space-time and at which the laws of science break down. But in imaginary time, there are no singularities or boundaries. So maybe what we call imaginary time is really more basic, and what we call real is just an idea that we invent to help us describe what we think the universe is like.

    So the real time that we experience exist within the reality of imaginary time. Hawking could have came to this conclusion reading the Bible. God trandscends our time and I believe that we exisist partly in imaginary time and partly in real time. For example, we witness past-future events happening in the eternal now. Just pick up a glass or hit a letter on your keyboard and you are observing the past and the future happening simultaneusly. It's like your watching a movie, from inside your body, in real time while your true existence is in imaginary time.

    I believe that the time that we experience is basically waves flowing on the surface of space. For example, when you skip a rock in a pond waves manifest on the surface of the water. Even though Einstien showed that time is relative to the observer, time seems to flow constant because of c, the speed of light and G, the gravitational constant. Just like we still hear noise from the big bang I think we still experience the motion from the big bang also.

    Implicate and Explicate Order

    I first read about David Bohm's theory in a book called, Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot. The first thing that came to mind was the fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Essentially Bohm is saying that the macroscopic and the microscopic were connected in the Implicate Order but became disconnected and thats the Explicate Order.

    Let me quote from David Bohm and F. David Peat's book, Science, Order and Creativity.

    ....consciousness is much more of the implicate order than is matter.

    they go on to say:

    First of all, it is clear that thought is definitely in the implicate order. The very word implicate, meaning enfolded, suggest that a train of thoughts is actually a process of enfoldment of a succession of implications.

    So consciousness is enfolded within spacetime and it unfolds and manifest in the explicate order or the real time that we experience. So the reality that we experience is somewhat an illussion and the true order of the universe is enfolded but unfolds in our worldline. Just like a piece of holographic film produces a hologram.

    Bohm explains this, with the example of dropping ink in a jar full of glycerine. When the cylinder in the jar is turned one way the ink seems to spread out and disappear. But when the cylinder is turned in the opposite direction the ink reappears. This is an example on how the true order can either be manifest or hidden.


    Adam and Eve were in a state of Wholeness, they had the best of both worlds (macroscopic and microscopic), so to speak. When the fall occured they still retained aspects of both worlds but they were disconnected. Christ came to Redeem man to his original state, and through the study of Quantum Mechanics you can see an inkling of what the Resurrected Body will be like. Christ said that some strain at a gnat and swallow a camel, in other words sometimes people miss the profound because they cant grasp the simple.

    Grace is by definition overly simple, it's a Gift, not to be earned or worked for. Also some within the scientific community leave an impression that science is somehow independent of God, this is a false impression. This also leads to atheism and agnosticism. God Created the Heavens and the earth and everything in it, including the visible and invisible. Seperating science from God is like seperating God from His Creation. I talk to alot of kids in college in different chat rooms and it's sad because many leave home with a belief just to hear how science negates that belief, which is FALSE. This is what Quantum Theologica is adressing and will continue to adress, thanks to God.

    New post every Friday.

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  3. Jul 10, 2004 #2
    Jesus Christs.
  4. Jul 10, 2004 #3
    so what's your point anway?:-)
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