Is There a Shape with More than 2^{\aleph_0} Sides in the Euclidean Plane?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of having a shape in the Euclidean plane with more than 2^{\aleph_0} sides, potentially through the use of fractals. The concept of "side" is also defined and it is concluded that such a shape would require a space with a larger dimensionality than the cardinality of the set of real numbers.
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Do you think it is possible to have a shape in the euclidean plane that has more
than [itex] 2^{\aleph_0} [/itex] sides. maybe some crazy fractal.
and if not in the plane would we maybe have to go to infinite dimensional space.
 
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Define "side".

Anyway, we have that [itex]\{(x,y)~\vert~x,y\in \mathbb{R}\}[/itex] has cardinality [itex]2^{\aleph_0}[/itex]. So your figure would have to repeat its "sides" infinitely often.
 
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Define "side".

Well, if a "side" is an ordered pair of vertices then you'd need more than [itex]2^{\aleph_0}[/itex] possible values for each vertex in order to have more than [itex]2^{\aleph0}[/itex] possible ordered pairs of vertices.

That sounds like you need a space whose dimensionality is larger than the cardinality of R.
 
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thanks for the responses. defining a side with an ordered pair seems like a good idea
you it seems like you couldn't do it in the x-y plane. it does seem like I
have R^R choices though for possible shapes.
 
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I am unable to provide a definite answer to this question as it falls outside the realm of empirical evidence and scientific inquiry. The concept of a shape with more than 2^{\aleph_0} sides in the Euclidean plane is a mathematical abstraction that may not have a physical counterpart.

However, it is possible to explore this idea using advanced mathematical concepts such as fractals, which have infinite perimeter and can exhibit self-similarity at different scales. These fractals, while not having a finite number of sides, still exist within the confines of the Euclidean plane.

It is also worth considering that the concept of a "side" may need to be redefined in higher-dimensional spaces, as traditional definitions may not apply. In this case, it may be possible to have a shape with more than 2^{\aleph_0} sides in an infinite-dimensional space.

In conclusion, while it is difficult to definitively say whether a shape with more than 2^{\aleph_0} sides is possible in the Euclidean plane, the concept can be explored and studied using advanced mathematical concepts. Further research and exploration may lead to a better understanding of this abstract idea.
 

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