Phase Space Flows and Crossings

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of flows in phase space and their ability to cross each other. It is mentioned that flows in phase space only do not cross if the system is time invariant, and that non-dissipative systems have their volumes preserved in phase space. The conversation also touches on the idea of extending the phase space to include time and energy dimensions, and how this affects the crossing of flows.
  • #1
Eidos
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Hello ladies and gentlemen

Why can't flows in phase space cross?
Would it imply that the system may be at the same state at some future time and then follow a different trajectory? That is to say that the identical initial condition gives a different final condition.

To my mind, flows in phase space would only not cross if the system is time invariant.

Slightly related, non-dissipative systems have their volumes preserved in phase space (Liouville's Theorem), is that the total volume of the phase space or any selectable portion of it?

Thanks for any replies :smile:
 
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  • #2
If the Hamiltonian has explicit time dependence, you can always extend the phase space to include t and E as extra dimensions (in fact, in relativity, one should always include these - conservation of energy will, then, define a surface in the phase space which the system is constrained to remain on). With this extension, it should be clear that even without time invariance, the phase space flows will not cross unless the system is not deterministic.
 
  • #3
Cool thanks that clears up a number of things that have been troubling me.

:smile:
 

1. What is phase space?

Phase space is a mathematical concept that describes the state of a physical system in terms of all its possible states, or "phases". It is a multidimensional space where each dimension represents a different variable, such as position and momentum, and each point in the space represents a unique state of the system.

2. How is phase space used in science?

Phase space is used in various fields of science, including physics, chemistry, and engineering, to describe and analyze the behavior of complex systems. It allows scientists to visualize and understand how a system evolves over time and how it responds to different external conditions.

3. What is the difference between configuration space and phase space?

Configuration space refers to the physical space in which a system exists, while phase space is an abstract mathematical space that describes the state of the system. Configuration space has a fixed number of dimensions, while phase space can have an infinite number of dimensions depending on the variables being considered.

4. How is phase space related to chaos theory?

Phase space plays a crucial role in chaos theory, which studies the behavior of nonlinear systems. In chaotic systems, even small changes in the initial conditions can lead to vastly different outcomes. Phase space allows scientists to visualize and analyze the complex and unpredictable behavior of chaotic systems.

5. Can phase space be used to predict the future behavior of a system?

Phase space alone cannot predict the future behavior of a system, but it can provide valuable insights and help scientists make predictions about the behavior of a system under certain conditions. However, the accuracy of these predictions depends on the complexity of the system and the variables being considered in the phase space.

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