Counting Radial Nodes between Orbitals with Same l

In summary, the reason for counting only the number of radial nodes between subshells with the same orbital angular momentum l is because the radial equation is solved for a specific value of l. This results in a series of solutions with n>l, and it is these solutions that display an increasing number of nodes. This means that for different values of l, the number of nodes cannot be used to compare the wave functions.
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Dear Everyone,

Could anyone explain why we count only the number of radial nodes between the subshells that have the same orbital angular momentum l ?

For example, 3p-orbitals have 1 radial node that exists between the 3p- and 2p-orbitals.
Shouldn't be there additional radial nodes that exist between the 3p- and 2s-orbitals and between the 3p- and 1s-orbitals?

Thank you so much for your help...
 
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When the radial equation is solved, it is for a given value of ##l##. Solutions are found under the condition that ##n > l##. Hence, for ##l=1##, the first radial wave function is 2p, and thus has 0 node; the second wf is 3p, and has 1 node, etc.

For ##l=0##, the first radial wave function, 1s, has no nodes, just like the 2p, so you can't use the number of nodes to compare the wave functions for different ##l##.
 
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DrClaude said:
you can't use the number of nodes to compare the wave functions for different ##l##.

Thank you so much for your detailed reply. But what is the reason behind this comparison? In other words, is there any physical meaning that cause the radial nodes to be created only for same orbital angular momentum l subshells?
 
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Thank you so much for your detailed reply. But what is the reason behind this comparison? In other words, is there any physical meaning that cause the radial nodes to be created only for same orbital angular momentum l subshells?
I said it already: because the radial equation
$$
- \frac{\hbar^2}{2 \mu} \nabla^2 R(r) + \left[ - \frac{Z e^2}{2 \pi \epsilon_0 r} + \frac{l (l+1) \hbar^2}{2 \mu r^2} \right] R(r) = R(r)
$$
is solved for a given value of ##l##. You get a series of solutions ##R_{n,l}## with ##n>l## for each value of ##l##, and it is those solutions that display the usual increasing number of nodes.
 
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1. What is the significance of counting radial nodes between orbitals with the same l?

The number of radial nodes between orbitals with the same l is important as it determines the energy level of an electron in an atom. It also helps in predicting the chemical and physical properties of elements.

2. How do you count radial nodes between orbitals with the same l?

To count radial nodes between orbitals with the same l, you need to first determine the value of n, which represents the principal quantum number. Then, subtract the value of l from n-1 to get the number of radial nodes.

3. Can there be more than one radial node between orbitals with the same l?

Yes, there can be more than one radial node between orbitals with the same l. The number of radial nodes is directly related to the energy level of the electron, so higher energy levels can have multiple radial nodes.

4. How does the number of radial nodes affect the shape of an orbital?

The number of radial nodes determines the overall shape of an orbital. Orbitals with higher numbers of radial nodes have more complex shapes, such as p and d orbitals, while those with fewer radial nodes have simpler shapes, such as s orbitals.

5. Do all orbitals with the same l have the same number of radial nodes?

No, not all orbitals with the same l have the same number of radial nodes. The number of radial nodes also depends on the principal quantum number, n. For example, a 3s orbital will have one radial node, while a 3p orbital will have two radial nodes.

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