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Radio-dating authenticates Biblical tunnel

  1. Sep 11, 2003 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994156
     
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  3. Sep 11, 2003 #2

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    Seems to me to verify that the bible was probably one of the best newspapers of the day.

    Does this do anything more then verify that some of the bible is historically accurate?
     
  4. Sep 12, 2003 #3
    I bet all the people that don't think radio-dating is accurate because it's shows the earth much more than 6000 years old, and the Shroud of Turin only from the middle ages, won't have any problem with this study. Nothing like picking and choosing what you want to accept as true.
     
  5. Sep 12, 2003 #4
    You know, I was thinking the exact same thing?
     
  6. Sep 12, 2003 #5
    Sounds like you're not particularly happy with these results, and would just assume pick and choose as well?

    Of course I had better read the article first and see what everybody's talking about.
     
  7. Sep 12, 2003 #6
    I don't think anyone is unhappy with the results, bub...because they don't prove anything at all. If this sort of thing is 'proof' of a religion, then Egyptian mythology has the best odds of being true.
     
  8. Sep 12, 2003 #7
    Yes, there is the least tiny bit of historical accuracy to the Bible!!! Oh man that just makes my day!!!

    Isn't that like one of the main gripes, that there's nothing historically accurate about it?

    Of course even if they could vouch for it being 100% accurate, that's still only evidence of religion, not necessarily God Itself. So in this respect I guess you're still safe. You can relax now, Okay?

    However, you may begin wonder why they would go to any lengths at all to obtain historical accuracy, if that doesn't apply to the God of the same time frame? -- which, is what so much of their history is about. Hmm ... :wink:
     
  9. Sep 12, 2003 #8

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    Wasn't it KAT that had the quote about how historically accurate the bible is?

    I don't think anyone thinks the bible is completely innacurrate about history. That seems to be one of its purposes.

    And this proves that, well, someone wrote about an old tunnel being built.

    Your right, in that proving its accuracy still falls short of proving for god. I just love the way people cling to little proofs like this, and will support the radio dating, but for one of the biggest historical innacuracies of the bible, (age of earth) they ignore the same results.
     
  10. Sep 12, 2003 #9
    What on earth are you talking about?
     
  11. Sep 12, 2003 #10
    And yet who's to say that in God's time frame a day isn't equivalent to a billion years? That would be getting little bit closer wouldn't it? Whereas the idea of one week may have more to do with the idea of "completion," which I believe is what the number 7 signifies.
     
  12. Sep 12, 2003 #11

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    Oh, BS. We are all pickers and choosers. Every last one of us. Me included. I just choose not to pick a side in a controversy that cannot be proven either way. Is the Bible THE word of God? For me, the jury is still out, and there exists reasonable doubt. It really doesn't matter that much, because there is still MUCH good to learn from it. For me, God exists. That's what I choose to believe. Jesus existed. That's what I choose to believe. Those of you who have chosen sides about this will, more than likely, never change your minds. Stubborn old goats.
     
  13. Sep 12, 2003 #12

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    Here's definition #4 of 'religion' from dictionary.com

    4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

    By this definition, you all have a religion. Ivan's religion seems to be trying to get people to have an open mind. Radagast's seems to be science. Zero, your religion is getting people to believe that God and the Bible are lies. Iacchus, yours is numbers. Megashawn's I haven't quite figured out yet, but PF is a distinct religious possibility for him/her. Lasar Eyes seemingly has an agenda to support Biblical content. None of you will allow any of the others their opinion or 'religion' without dissing them for it. Stubborn old goats. Y'all are sounding like a bunch of Republicans. Quit yer damn fighting and go make someone you love happy.
     
  14. Sep 12, 2003 #13

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    Haha, thats pretty good. I can assure you, if anything in my life fits your definition, it would be my motorcycle hobbie.

    Another reasons you've not figured mine out, and won't is because I do not have any "beliefs" that fit the above definition. If I can't prove it, and it doesn't have any noticeable effect on my life and those close to me, then I certainly will not "pursu it with zeal or conscientious devotion".

    So I guess you can consider me the founder of the "yamaha riders in NC" religion.

    edit: Just how many women have you met named Shawn? Extend my sorrow to them

    :smile:

    j/k of course.
     
  15. Sep 16, 2003 #14
    Where the hell did you get that? I didn't say anything one way or another about being happy/unhappy about this.

    I've been under the assumption that it's most likely true. I don't see any problem with things in the bible being true, especially the more mundane historic portions. The more 'magical' are a little harder to believe, and certainly the stuff that contradicts strong scientific research, but I don't have any problem with many of the things in the bible being true.

    It might be advisable not to read things into other folks posts. :wink:
     
  16. Sep 16, 2003 #15
    Hmmm...you are full of it, and I think you even know it. Cultures preserve cultural history, there is no question about that. Of course they remember large imigrations, times when Jews committed genocide, etc. That doesn't prove a single thing about the religious aspect.

    And, again I say, if historical accuracy and preservation of history is a standard, the Egyptians win hands down. By your logic, we have no choice but to say that the Egyptian gods are much more likely to exist than the Jewish one, because teh Jews had a book based on oral history, while the Wgyptians built mighty structures which still exist relatively unmarked by time.
     
  17. Sep 16, 2003 #16
    There's a reason that your definition is fourth on the list: BECAUSE IT ISN"T AS GOOD AS THE OTHER THREE!!

    Heh.
     
  18. Sep 16, 2003 #17
    This is an argument flaw. Specifically Equivocation or the Fallacy of four terms. You are trying to use one definition to mean the same thing as another. I can think of three definitions of 'screwed', but trying to use a dictionary definition of one to imply it's the same as another is an argument flaw. If I say I got 'screwed' in a business deal, it would hardly be accurate to say it involved one of the six simple machines known as a screw.

    p.s. MY religion is Buddhism.
     
  19. Sep 16, 2003 #18
    It's just seems like I've heard this so many times before, and it all pretty much sounds the same. Or, perhaps I misconstrued the "general whining" for a discontent of the acutal results?
     
  20. Sep 16, 2003 #19
    What are we comparing religions now?


    No, this is your logic, which is just as you stated above.


    While all I'm saying is that isn't a wonder that wherever they go, that the notion of "their God" goes with them? Which is to say, why would they bother to portray the historical aspect correctly, and misrepresent God at the same time? -- i.e., in the sense that He doesn't exist, as you would have us believe.

    That doesn't make any sense. Why would they be truthful on the one hand, when perhaps they weren't even looking to do so, while creating this tremendous fabrication (or outright lie) on the other?
     
  21. Sep 16, 2003 #20
    What I wrote was a commentary on certain creationists and their picking and choosing of data. I didn't target christians in general, nor did I say anything whatsoever, implied or otherwise, concerning the dating this thread refers to.
     
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