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Random annoyance at modern colloquial language.

  1. Nov 27, 2004 #1

    matthyaouw

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    If I say to the average something is s**t, it is bad, however if I say it is the s**t, then it is good.

    Am I the only one who sees little or no sense in this?
    In summary, the language of kids today is terrible.


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  3. Nov 27, 2004 #2

    Ivan Seeking

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    While in college I was impressed with an essay by Orwell...I think called "The Importance of Speaking Correctly". I didn't spot the essay online but this article addresses similar ideas. Obviously this all ties into Orwell's newspeak and 1984.

    Language and Truth Belong Together

    Trivia: Why 1984? It was written in 1948; nothing deeper than that. :biggrin:
     
  4. Nov 27, 2004 #3

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    There was a southpark espisode about this. They even counted the number of times they said ****.
     
  5. Nov 28, 2004 #4
    Are you using "random" in... (*gulp*)... a colloquial sense? Otherwise I have to take it that when you hear colloquialisms, you may or may not become annoyed based on non-sequential thought processes. Or do you throw a dice and if its a six or a one you will decide to become annoyed? This is intruguing.
     
  6. Nov 28, 2004 #5
    Yeah, the way some people talk these days confuses me, and I'm supposed to be "one of them."

    The worst I've encountered is when someone says something is "sick," meaning, "something entirely unrelated to, and quite the opposite of, sick."

    Recently when I got a piercing I showed it to a friend and they chose "Sick!" as their response. I was beginning to become offended when I realized, "Oh, wait. Those crazy kids!! Ha ha!"
     
  7. Nov 28, 2004 #6

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    I think he meant : Randomly sparked decision to voice annoyance at modern colloquial language - it's an elliptic usage. :wink:

    I personally don't have an objection to "this is the $#!t" meaning the opposite of "this is $#!t". However, I find the overusage of "as hell" a little irksome. It's okay for it to be "hot as hell", but to also say that something is "cold as hell" is just a tad bit bothersome. Usage like "dirty as hell" or "scary as hell" are okay, but what's the sense in "loud as hell" or "funny as hell" ?
     
  8. Nov 28, 2004 #7
    It's because of alternate meanings via context sensitivity which humans are quite adept at but the real question is what was the causation for "sh*t" to ever be used in a positive sense?
     
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  9. Nov 28, 2004 #8

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    I don't see that in this usage "sh*t", by itself, carries a positive connotation. I think this is merely an elliptic usage for "this is the real sh*t" (as in, the real McCoy), where "sh*t" is simply used for "thing".
     
  10. Nov 28, 2004 #9
    us kids today are too lazy to expand our vocabulary, so, instead, we re arrange or re use words that we already know, to change the meaning :smile:
     
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  11. Nov 28, 2004 #10

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    The temperatures of the different parts of Hell vary greatly depending precisely on which circle you reside in, and has for funny as hell: How much do you suppose you will be laughing as you sit in heaven watching the guy who bullied you in high school rotating slowly on a spit being jabbed by a demon, and being deafened by the loud screams of those suffering around him?

    I have many annoyances regarding the English language, and chose one more or less at random, or at least as much as possible without the use of dice or a table of random numbers.
     
  12. Nov 28, 2004 #11

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    The same thing is true of the word "bad". It can be used both negatively and positively in slang.
     
  13. Nov 28, 2004 #12

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    "Cold as Hell" must refer to Hell, MI. It's definitely cold there, and dirty, and scary. :rofl: Nothing funny or loud about the place though, other than all three or so buildings in the town are painted with flames on them. :biggrin: Though, it's an interesting change in the language, a shift from using superlatives to using similes as superlatives. Though, of course we all know the appropriate simile to use to emphasize cold is, "Cold as a witch's t**."

    I don't care if kids have their own lingo, every generation does, but what bothers me is that they are failing to learn proper English as well. One of my pet peeves with this generation is lack of capitalization of words, especially at the beginning of sentences. Is it really all that difficult to hit the "shift" key on the keyboard?
     
  14. Nov 28, 2004 #13

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    I dislike the web appreviations: u 4 gr8 type of stuff. I find it very hard to respond postivily to any post that displays this form of what I consider simply lazyness.
     
  15. Nov 28, 2004 #14
    Heh, that's one of mine as well. I mean, I wont ever harass someone about it, because you always get the same stupid argument: "duhrr i am just chattin not writing engilsh paper lolz" And I guess as long as you can at least understand the person, there's no reason to make a big deal of it...

    But of course, that doesn't mean it makes it any less sad... why WOULDN'T someone want to care about the very language they speak? Communication is extremely important, and especially on the Internet, where the method is primarily through WRITING.
     
  16. Nov 28, 2004 #15
    it is not that difficult. I think it is not that important to capatalize the first letter of each sentence while speaking informally. that is why I only capitalize the first word of each sentence when I want to be taken seriously lol.

    I think the reason, this may seem blatant, that many kids do not capitalize the first word of each sentence is because it is a waste of time. There is a big difference between written and oral English. When talking to a friend you are probably quite informal, but when you are writing, on these boards for example, you probably try to be as formal as possible. Formal English has too many rules. Jupiter is larger than any planet in our solar system. If I were to tell you that, you would probably agree; however, the sentence is wrong! Jupiter cannot be larger than itself. The correction is, of course: Jupiter is larger than any other planet in our solar system. Because very few people, none that I know, speak formal English there is no desire, or even need, to learn it. Now this is where the problem is created. Many kids spend time typing to their friends on aim, yahoo, icq, or whatever, this leads to very informal English, and then when they write on a forum they are, sometimes, very hard to understand. Now that I have completely drifted away from the subject, and have no clue what I am talking about anymore, I will have to end my post here: :confused:
     
  17. Nov 28, 2004 #16
    I completely agree that language is important. Here are some more recent examples, that I've heard from peers.

    "That's sick!" - I guess it was said before, but I couldn't catch the clear meaning of it. About three or four months ago, "That's sick!" meant, "That's horrible". Now, it means, "That's awesome!"

    "Just joshing" - Okay, I'm completely stumped on how someone could come up with this phrase. Apparently it means that they're joking.

    "Well -vs- Good" - This is the most common one that I find, and probably the second most annoying. When I'm outside and social, I correct at least one person a day on this. Sometimes it's strangers, sometimes it's people I know. "I did good on that test." You'd think after I yell "WELL! YOU DID WELL ON THAT TEST." They'd realize they have the change. The sad part is, my first language isn't even English, and I'm correcting them.

    "im gansta" - This is probably the most annoying one. I can't get over how stupid these morons are. I walk around my school, and you can't go across the main hallway without morons saying it. Apparently now it means that they're cool. Someone please tell me how 'ganstas' are cool. Actually, if anyone wants a laugh, feel free to download this: http://brpg.japf.co.uk/zeteg/gangster.mp3.

    While I can go on for quite some time talking about the deformalities of speech found in 'ganstas' I'll leave it at that.

    Not all kids speak poorly. While the majority of kids these days do, there are still the few that respect themselves.
     
  18. Nov 28, 2004 #17

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    Well, I liked that bit about Jupiter. I never knew that! And who the heck is "lol"?
     
  19. Nov 28, 2004 #18
    Lol = Abbreviated "Laughing out loud", or in a more modern contect, "I think it's funny."

    I often use abbreviations a lot, seeing as typing, "hahahaha" doesn't exactly convey a very "friendly" messenge. It's more or less the same thing of saying "okay", or "okies" instead of "O.K." In the previous example, one would sound less sarcastic.

    Now, whenever someone speaks horrible English to me, I respond using the AOL-12-year-old translator.
     
  20. Nov 28, 2004 #19
    Woops! My mistake. What I meant to say was: that is why I only capitalize the first word of each sentence when I want to be taken seriously. lol

    As for who is "lol?"

    I guess I should have used ":rofl:" instead. Which brings up another issue. Do you all find these smilies, when used, annoying?

    I don't. I think its all a part of the fun that we call the |nt3rn3t :cool:
     
  21. Nov 28, 2004 #20
    That's semantics to me. I'm just saying that when someone says "thats the sh*t", they mean that it's good, and yes "sh*t" is just the "thing", but why on earth use "sh*t" for that? It didn't just get there randomly, somehow it was either consciously or unconsciously put there and to me that's a curiousity.
     
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