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Ibix
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Old, but still funny:WWGD said:So is it the real life or is it just fantasy...?
Iif you're a Star Trek nerd, identify the episodes.
Old, but still funny:WWGD said:So is it the real life or is it just fantasy...?
Ibix said:Old, but still funny:
Iif you're a Star Trek nerd, identify the episodes.
They gained my full attention in 1978WWGD said:I need to update my cheesy pop references. But then again, I am kind of a newcomer, I started listening to them in the 2000s.
I incredibly had just passing experience with them. I think I got into them after some " Wayne World" movie.fresh_42 said:They gained my full attention in 1978
Best song ever!Ibix said:Does anyone not know Bohemian Rhapsody? It's one of those things that seems to me to have entered the collective unconscious.
It's possible my sample of "the collective" is biased by my age group.
Yeah. My wife's Spanish and I've spent quite a lot of time in Spain. There are huge differences from English culture (rules are much more like guidelines, deadlines aren't really, they are LOUD, children are accepted anywhere at any time but nowhere has a baby change table, they drive on the wrong side of the road). But so much is the same - the humour, the music, stories, TV, selfish politicians, getting together for a meal... The differences are mostly stylistic, not really substantive. IMO.fresh_42 said:I'm always surprised by our similarities, although certain groups do their best to tell us the opposite.
aka, nothing that a Sangria/Beer cannot take care of :).Ibix said:... The differences are mostly stylistic, not really substantive. IMO.
True. Although Spanish beer comes in very small servings. I miss pints when I'm there...WWGD said:aka, nothing that a Sangria/Beer cannot take care of :).
I was lucky when in Madrid. They had a Hard Rock Cafe next to the hotelIbix said:True. Although Spanish beer comes in very small servings. I miss pints when I'm there...
Just eat more fruit!Psinter said:There was a very small earthquake while I was sitting on the toilet I was like: "I swear... if this toilet breaks and I fall on the water... I'm going to rage." The toilet was wobbling.
I'm now. Let's hope there won't be an earthquake..."
Sad thing is many are unable to disagree in a reasonable way.Edit : including myself at times, I am embarrassed to admit. Less so now, but still at times.fresh_42 said:It's hard not to these days.
How I imagine discussing politics goes for people:WWGD said:I keep on stupidly bringing up political topics when having casual exchanges. I need to stop.
What's really sad is, that certain unpleasant phenomena seem to appear at very different places on this globe, and all of which have been unexpected by the values they claimed to follow.WWGD said:Sad thing is many are unable to disagree in a reasonable way.Edit : including myself at times, I am embarrassed to admit. Less so now, but still at times.
fresh_42 said:Best song ever.
I don't recall where I read it, but on computer vision someone once said that we'll know we've cracked it when a system can look at an image and say "that's a brown cow with five legs". A system, in other words, that fits a new object into a classification scheme (cow), recognising subclasses (brown cows) and flagging oddities (five legs). I think the same applies to parsing natural language. I mean, just go and read the Lame Jokes thread. About 50% of it is posters deliberately invoking confusion of the kind you're making here.WWGD said:I can see why AI is so difficult. I can see machines misinterpreting:
1)Auto Repair: Wait, it repairs itself? Then why do we need a store for it?
2)Midtown Towing: Wait: you are going to tow the whole midtown? What for? Where to?
Yes, god point. But I see a problem is "size": there are infinitely-many types of situations that are not likely to fit within a finite set of premises/rules. It may be a good idea if someone could address this satisfactorily ( I will keep to the lame jokes for now -- meaning any and all jokes coming from me :) ). EDIT: There is a parallel to this: the need for a Supreme Court because , I posit, no finite collection of laws can cover/describe any possible situation that may arise in the interactions between people.Ibix said:I don't recall where I read it, but on computer vision someone once said that we'll know we've cracked it when a system can look at an image and say "that's a brown cow with five legs". A system, in other words, that fits a new object into a classification scheme (cow), recognising subclasses (brown cows) and flagging oddities (five legs). I think the same applies to parsing natural language. I mean, just go and read the Lame Jokes thread. About 50% of it is posters deliberately invoking confusion of the kind you're making here.
Doesn't this just boil down to whether you think humans are computers with delusions of grandeur or not? If we are then it must be possible to write a computer program to do the same - to be able to generate new classifications and new rules when the existing ones don't work, or can only be regarded as guidelines. If not, then possibly not.WWGD said:Yes, god point. But I see a problem is "size": there are infinitely-many types of situations that are not likely to fit within a finite set of premises/rules. It may be a good idea if someone could address this satisfactorily ( I will keep to the lame jokes for now -- meaning any and all jokes coming from me :) ). EDIT: There is a parallel to this: the need for a Supreme Court because , I posit, no finite collection of laws can cover/describe any possible situation that may arise in the interactions between people.
Unfortunately I never finished "The Emperor's New Mind" nor "Godel, Escher Bach" , nor related books, but I think you did get to the meat of the issue, but unfortunately I don't have a good answer at this point EDIT .<Sigh> I miss the days of undergrad where you could afford to spend days thinking about this type of questions.Ibix said:Doesn't this just boil down to whether you think humans are computers with delusions of grandeur or not? If we are then it must be possible to write a computer program to do the same - to be able to generate new classifications and new rules when the existing ones don't work, or can only be regarded as guidelines. If not, then possibly not.
I think it's an xkcd cartoon that proposes a six-word biography of Hofstadter - "I'm So Meta Even This Acronym".WWGD said:"Godel, Escher Bach"
Yes, maybe it is just us Math, Physics people who understand the need to fix definitions while having discussions of this sort, and adjusting them as needed or face wasting time endlessly getting nowhere. Hey, seems like a good idea for a Monte Python skit; too bad I am some 30 years late for that.Ibix said:I think it's an xkcd cartoon that proposes a six-word biography of Hofstadter - "I'm So Meta Even This Acronym".
I don't think anyone has a complete answer to the question yet. And I suspect that even if we built AIs that produce grand symphonies, beautiful paintings, and a rigorous proof of the Riemann Hypothesis, you'd still find people arguing that they aren't really thinking. And yes, "they" can be read two ways in that last sentence...
Thanks. But then again, neither did Belgium team's webpage... ??fresh_42 said:I have no idea. His profile page says last seen in 9/29/17 and the last post I've found has been from 6/5/17. It contained nothing which would have indicated a waving goodbye.
Probably better so. I don't think that the Belgians would have had a good chance against Croatia ...WWGD said:Thanks. But then again, neither did Belgium team's webpage... ??
Ouch...You a chap or a fella? Some #$% told me both games were tomorrow and I missed Belgium- France.fresh_42 said:Probably better so. I don't think that the Belgians would have had a good chance against Croatia ...
I used to think a fellowship is one where everyone must call you 'fellow'.fresh_42 said:Guess I'm a dude, since my dictionary notes both - chap and fella - with a [Br.].