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Rate of Change of a Cone

  1. Oct 20, 2009 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    A conical tank (with vertex down) is 10 feet across the top and 12 feet deep. If water is flowing into the tank at a rate of 10 cubic feet per minute, find the rate of change of the depth of the water when the water is 8 feet deep.


    3. The attempt at a solution
    First I derived the volume equation of a cone ( v = hπr^2 ) with respect to time which yielded:

    dv/dt = π/3(2rh(dr/dt) + r^2 (dh/dt))

    Next, I substituted in all known variables:

    10 = π/3((2)(10)(8)(dr/dt) + (10^2)(dh/dt))
    10 = π3(160(dr/dt) + 100(dh/dt))

    I'm suppose to solve for dh/dt but I can't do so until I figure out dr/dt, I'm wondering if it involves replacing r with terms of h out of the volume equation?
     
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  3. Oct 20, 2009 #2

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    You need a relationship between r and h, the radius of the water in the tank at time t, and the height of water in the tank at time t. You can get these from the dimensions of the conical tank by using similar triangles.

    After you have an equation involving r and h, differentiate to get an equation involving dr/dt and dh/dt.
     
  4. Oct 20, 2009 #3
    I don't quite see how to do that, although it does look similar to something my teacher may of gone over in class.

    I'm thinking the similar triangles use radius and height as their legs, so the larger triangle I guess would be width of 5 and a height of 12 and the similar triangle would be a height of 8 with a width of 10/3. This is as far as I've gotten.
     
  5. Oct 20, 2009 #4

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    The larger triangle has legs of 5 and 12 as you said, but the smaller triangle has legs that correspond to the radius of the water level in the tank at a given time, and the depth of water in the tank at the same time.
     
  6. Oct 20, 2009 #5
    Alright so heres what I did, I don't have an answer key so not sure if it's 100% right.

    1) I rewrote r in terms of h as r/h = 10/12 so r = 5h/6
    2) I substituted that in for r in the original and simplified getting a new equation of (25h^3 pi)/108.
    3) I derived with respect to t and got dv/dt = (25h^2 pi / 36) dh/dt.
    4) Plugging in h and dv/dt I get 9/(40 pi) = dh/dt

    Any concerns?
     
  7. Oct 21, 2009 #6

    Mark44

    Staff: Mentor

    The radius of the tank is not 10 ft.
    An equation has an = in it.
    You differentiated with respect to t.
    Only one major concern, the first, but that one affects your results all the way through. Your final answer should include units, however. What are the units for dh/dt?
     
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