# Rate of rise in water level

1. Apr 18, 2016

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

A cylinder of radius ${R}$ is partially filled with water. There is an inverted cone of cone angle 90° and base radius ${\frac{R}{2}}$ which is falling in it with a constant speed $v=30~cm/s$.
Find the rate of increase of water level (in $cm/s$) when half the height of cone is immersed in water.

The given answer is: $2~cm/s$

2. Relevant equations
Let the height of the cone be h, and height of cylinder be H
Volume of cone $= \frac{1}{3}\pi (\frac{R}{2})^2 h = \frac{1}{12} \pi R^2 h$
Volume of cylinder = $\pi R^2 H$

3. The attempt at a solution
Now for the cone $\frac{dh}{dt}=v=30~cm/s$

Let the increase in cylinder's water level be $dH$ when $dV$ of cone's volume is immersed in it.
So
$dV = \pi R^2 dH$

⇒ $\frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{\frac{dV}{dt}}{\pi R^2}$

⇒ $\frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{\frac{d}{dt}(\frac{1}{12} \pi R^2 h)}{\pi R^2}$

⇒ $\frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{\frac{1}{12} \pi R^2~\frac{dh}{dt}}{\pi R^2}$

⇒ $\frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{1}{12} × 30 = 2.5~cm/s$

Thank you.

2. Apr 18, 2016

### BvU

Volume of the part of the cone that is immersed depends on h in a way that differs from what you use... The r of that part of the cone is dependent on h...

3. Apr 21, 2016

### Vibhor

@BvU ,@Chestermiller ,do you agree with the given answer 2 cm/s ? I believe it is incorrect . It should be 1.875 cm/s .

2cm/s would have been correct if the cone was falling at the speed of 32 cm/s .

Last edited: Apr 21, 2016
4. Apr 21, 2016

### Staff: Mentor

I get 2 cm/s.

Let z be the distance between the tip of the cone and the bottom of the cylinder, and let h(z) be the distance between the water surface and the bottom of the cylinder. Then the amount of cone submerged is h - z, and the volume of cone submerged is $$V_s=\frac{\pi (h-z)^3}{3}$$. The total volume of water and cone below the water surface is $\pi R^2h$, and this is also equal to the volume of water Vw plus the submerged volume of cone:

$$V_w+\frac{\pi (h-z)^3}{3}=\pi R^2h$$
Taking the time derivative of this equation gives:
$$(h-z)^2\left(\frac{dh}{dt}-\frac{dz}{dt}\right)=R^2\frac{dh}{dt}$$

5. Apr 21, 2016

### Vibhor

Hi ,

Let y be the distance between the tip of the cone and the water surface, and let h be the distance between the water surface and the bottom of the cylinder.

$$V_w =\pi R^2h - \frac{\pi y^3}{3}$$

Taking the time derivative of this equation gives: $$R^2\frac{dh}{dt} = y^2\frac{dy}{dt}$$ .

When $y=\frac{R}{4}$ , $\frac{dh}{dt} = \frac{30}{16}$

What is the mistake ?

6. Apr 21, 2016

### Staff: Mentor

The downward velocity of the cone is not dy/dt. It is (dy/dt)-(dh/dt).

7. Apr 21, 2016

Thanks a lot