# Rate problem

1. May 23, 2006

### cscott

A water trough is 6 m long and has a cross-section in the shape of an isosceles trapezoid (dimension shown in the diagram.) Water is being pumped into the trough at a rate of 0.5 m^3/min. How fast is the water level rising when it is 0.5 m deep.

AFAIK the volume of a trapazoid like this should be

$$V = \frac{1}{2}h(a + b)l$$

where a, b, and l are all given constants, therefore

$$\frac{dV}{dt} = \frac{1}{2}\frac{dh}{dt}(a + b)l$$

But this can't be right. I don't think I'm approaching this correctly...

2. May 23, 2006

### vsage

What do you personally think you're doing wrong? you should be very careful to note that V = 1/2h(a+b)l makes no distinction as to what is actually a function of t, although you try to differentiate with respect to t the height later. Yes that's the volume of a filled container, but differentiating h with respect to t would yield 0 because it is a constant. Perhaps construct the volume of a trapezoid whose height is dependent on time t.

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3. May 23, 2006

### cscott

Would I have to express all the other variables in terms of h?

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4. May 23, 2006

### vsage

No, no. Just think about the shape of a volume that was being filled up by water and what dimensions are variable with time. Certainly the height filled with water will be variable with time, but what about the width of the surface? Obvioously the base of the trough will not change though.

5. May 23, 2006

### cscott

I'm assuming I can relate the width to height using (1/4)w/h = 0.6/0.9 (i.e. similar triangles)?

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6. May 23, 2006

### vsage

Test it out :). I suggest using extreme cases such as where h = 0 what is w? (better equal the width of the base)

7. May 23, 2006

### cscott

Well mine isn't going to work because at h = 0, w = 0.

Trying w = 1.2/0.9h + 0.6 ...

8. May 23, 2006

### cscott

Woot, I got it. Thanks for your help/patience!