Ratio of energy densities of black body radiation

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The discussion revolves around the ratio of energy densities of black body radiation, specifically examining the energy density formula and its implications for different frequencies.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the energy density formula and its application to different frequencies. There are attempts to simplify the ratio of energy densities and questions about the correctness of the expressions used.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mathematical relationships involved, particularly regarding the exponential terms. There is an ongoing exploration of simplifications and potential options related to the problem, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the presence of a constant factor in the energy density ratio and discuss the implications of simplifying the expressions. The context suggests a focus on deriving relationships rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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The Attempt at a Solution

The energy density is given as ## u = \frac { 8 \pi {\nu }^2}{c^3}~ \frac { h \nu} {e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T}} – 1}.##

EDIT : I put the constant C.
## \frac { u( 2 \nu) } {u(\nu)} = C \frac { {e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T}} – 1} }{ {e^{ \frac { 2h\nu}{k_B T}} – 1} } ##
Where C is the appropriate constant.

Is this correct?
 

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Pushoam said:

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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

The energy density is given as ## u = \frac { 8 \pi {\nu }^2}{c^3}~ \frac { h \nu} {e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T}} – 1}##.

## \frac { u( 2 \nu) } {u(\nu)} = \frac { {e^{ \frac { h \nu}{k_B T}} – 1} }{ {e^{ \frac { 2h \nu}{k_B T}} – 1} } ##

Is this correct?
The formula is correct (apart from a constant factor), but you have to simplify it and figure out which option it corresponds to. Note that ##e^{ \frac { 2h \nu}{k_B T}}=\left(e^{ \frac { h \nu}{k_B T}}\right)^2##
 
ehild said:
Note that ##e^{ \frac { 2h \nu}{k_B T}}=\left(e^{ \frac { h \nu}{k_B T}}\right)^2##

Thanks for this insight.
## \frac { u( 2 \nu) } {u(\nu)} = \frac { {e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T} } – 1} } { \left ({e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T}} – 1}\right ) \left( {e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T}} +1} \right) } ## ## = \frac1 {e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T}} +1} ##

So, the answer is option (B).
 
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Pushoam said:
Thanks for this insight.
## \frac { u( 2 \nu) } {u(\nu)} = \frac { {e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T} } – 1} } { \left ({e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T}} – 1}\right ) \left( {e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T}} +1} \right) } ## ## = \frac1 {e^{ \frac { h\nu}{k_B T}} +1} ##

So, the answer is option (B).
Yes :)
 

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