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I have never seen ray model of light being considered for radio waves, or waves of larger wavelengths. I have a feeling that this model does not apply to them. Am I right?
It is "just" a matter of scale. Light and radio waves are the same thing.kent davidge said:I have never seen ray model of light being considered for radio waves, or waves of larger wavelengths. I have a feeling that this model does not apply to them. Am I right?
ummm really ?kent davidge said:I did not see up until now light of large wavelength, like radio waves, being described by geometrical optics
To be fair, the OP doesn't claim to have looked for it at all.davenn said:ummm really ? you haven't looked very hard
But this scale difference is the key to the answer of the question. Ray optics is an approximation of wave optics for the case that the scale of the obstacles the wave hits is large compared to the typical wave lengths of the em. waves. This is usually not fulfilled for radio waves, which have wavelength roughly in the range of cm to some 100 m.jbriggs444 said:It is "just" a matter of scale. Light and radio waves are the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-of-sight_propagation#Radio_horizon
A.T. said:To be fair, the OP doesn't claim to have looked for it at all.
Usually not but not 'never'. Ray tracing methods for long and medium wavelength radio signals in the ionosphere are about the only way to predict propagation over very long paths. In that case, the dimensions of the propagation path are large compared with the wavelengths involved.vanhees71 said:This is usually not fulfilled for radio waves, which have wavelength roughly in the range of cm to some 100 m
The Ray model for radio waves is a simplified representation of how radio waves travel through space. It assumes that radio waves travel in straight lines, similar to rays of light, and are not affected by obstacles or other objects in their path.
The Ray model explains the behavior of radio waves by showing how they reflect, refract, and diffract as they travel through different mediums. It also shows how the direction and intensity of the waves can be affected by the shape and size of objects in their path.
The Ray model is a simplified representation and does not take into account the complex interactions that can occur between radio waves and objects in their path. It also does not account for the effects of atmospheric conditions or other environmental factors on the behavior of radio waves.
The Ray model is used in practical applications such as antenna design and radio wave propagation studies. It helps engineers and scientists understand how radio waves will behave in different environments and how to optimize their use for communication and other purposes.
Yes, the Ray model can be applied to other types of waves, such as light waves and sound waves. However, it may need to be modified to account for the specific properties and behaviors of these waves.