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RE: Men In Black

  1. Mar 1, 2005 #1
    Anyone know of any reports, or even know of anyone who ever had an experience with the ubiquitous (Men In Black) MIB? is it all an attempt to cover up top secret weapons and aircraft research, or are there really UFO sightings that need to be surpressed, in England the airforce turn up so it's more like men in blue, but the techniques of trying to surpress so called UFO sightings by threat, obfuscation and confusion are much the same: after all if you where researching top secret weapons and planes in the Nevada desert and someone were to see them, what would be the perfect way of obfuscatiing the truth, fake some documents inferring the existence of aliens, perfect then anyone who comes forward will be dismissed as a nut or a crank.

    OK Major have a draft on my desk by 0400 hrs to leak to the press, nice thinking son.

    Is there something out there, or is there something here that needs to be hidden, any ideas?
     
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  3. Mar 1, 2005 #2

    Ivan Seeking

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    If you buy into a government cover up then the MIB make sense. That said, I can also say that after reading thousands of government documents I have seen little to no evidence for the MIB. If the MIB exist then they are a better kept secret than the alleged ET crafts.
     
  4. Mar 1, 2005 #3

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    If MIB exists, then they are the Air Force Office of Special Investigations - the only people qualified to deal with these sorts of things, plus they have the necessary clearance, so you cant 'speak' about the UFOs openly because it would be deemed classified. This might explain why there are rumors but no sources - someone might talk, but wont go on an official record for obvious reasons

    http://public.afosi.amc.af.mil/index_ns7.html

    An interesting observation: "It has been the Air Force's felony-level investigative service since August 1, 1948." A year after Roswell eh, sort of like Dept of Homeland Security after 9/11 :bugeye:
     
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  5. Mar 4, 2005 #4
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    I have read a book by Jeni Randells called MIB, she spent five years reporting incidents where people had been approached by strange intelligence operatives, an ardent ufo sceptic, it was her who gave me the idea that maybe the reason behind theese so called MIB incidents are no doubt top secret operatives, the book doesn't deny that many ex airforce pilots have seen bizarre stuff, and even some of theese ex undercover operatives have said that maybe 1% of all ufo claims had a truly Unidentified source. I find it eminently plausable to say that secret weapons testing goes on all the time, and some people try to cover up leaks about certain tests.

    At a lecture once, in fact a lecture by Jenni Randells herself she showed a photo of a little girl in a wheat field somewhere in the USA i forget where, but it was near a military base. floating above the girls head is a fireman, which to all intents and purposes appears to be there. Both the photographer and the little girl obviously have no recollection of a floating fireman, maybe it was a mixing of images, a mix up when he got them processed? A CIA specialist in photography had a look at the photos, and was bewildered as to how the fireman could have been placed in the image as it was so well done that even lighting an focus had all been perfecttly consistent with the fireman actually being there? Why have a fireman in the picture why spend a deal of money to put him there, if you look carefully there is a rocket vapour trail which ends under where the fireman now resided. Jenny had suspected that a secret missile test had been in progress while the photo was taken, later after asking some local connections to the said base and a deal of diplomatic conversation she found out that a missile test had indeed been scheduled for that day but of course the details were classified. MIB is merely a euphamism for the government covering things up in the interest of nastional security.

    Real bizarre events do happen but these are a small minority, Im sure many governments have so called credible UFO sightings but MIB is perhaps not a part of the alien cover up?
     
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  6. Mar 4, 2005 #5

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    Well I can debunk that one for ya - its easy, really. Middle of a field? Must be midwest where tornadoes are frequent. Doesnt remember anything? Probably went through a lot of stress and selective memory kicked in and now she wont remember anything.
     
  7. Mar 4, 2005 #6

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    My take is that the MiB is just a myth born of a composite of random investigative offices. I'm sure some incidents have been investigated by random government agencies from FBI to military investigators/intel to CIA or even NSA. Say a reporter takes a picture of a strange object flying around Burbank, CA one night (near Lockheed Skunk Works). The next day he might get a visit from a couple of serious looking guys telling him to sign this form saying he saw nothing. Yeah, they'd probably just be Air Force security personnel not wanting him to publish photos of the new stealth fighter, but if he's too rattled he might not remember that. We could start calling the MiB UFA - Unidentified Federal Agents.
     
  8. Mar 4, 2005 #7
    I agree with you here mostly. I know that if I got a visit from even a couple of uniformed police I'd be a bit shaken, much less FBI agents.

    I still wouldn't totally discount the possibility of a 'true' MIB group though, possibly Air Force Security as mentioned above. Someone has gotten ahold of critical national security information they shouldn't have? Well, you could kill them, but that gets a little messy and hard to cover up. Why not dress up a couple of guys (ex-linebackers are probably good for this role) in black suits and intimidate the bejeezus out of them and see if that works.
     
  9. Mar 5, 2005 #8
    :rofl:
    UFO:Unidentified Federal Officers?
     
  10. Mar 5, 2005 #9

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    Note that UFOs are also known to yachtsmen and sanitation workers as Unidentified Floating Objects.
     
  11. Mar 5, 2005 #10
    I first heard the term MIB in the late seventies, from a guy that was discussing alien visitation. He was in a coffee shop, someone I had known since the very early seventies. The guy was someone that one person would describe as a Schizophrenic, and another might describe him as a visionary. He was a very soft individual, who had a capacity to drift between reality and non reality, or between energetic dimensions. He was very familiar with the MIB at this time, and gave me a detailed accounting of what they do. They would have not been OSI agents.

    I am the daughter of an OSI agent, they were a new kind of agency in the beginning, they took on a lot of stuff, criminal, national security, the blue book and whatever else came along.
    It was a brand new world back then, we had just ended WW2 and Americans had ventured out of America en masse for the first time, into Asia, the Pacific islands, North Africa, and Eastern Europe. There was a lot to cover in terms of routine police work in those years, and the security of our intelligence efforts abroad, and the security of our air material and personnel, and politicians abroad.

    There are enough retired Astronauts that are willing to discuss encounters of the third kind, why disbelieve them?

    Our government can't even dispense sex education materials, and condoms to protect teens from disease and pregnancy. They can't make sense of right or wrong, or how to best serve our people. Don't expect them to freely discuss extra-terrestrials, or the deals they made with them, or the crimes against visitors to this world, or sightings, or any knowledge they may have that conflicts with our comfort zone.

    I have no knowledge of matters regarding extra planetary visitors, I have never seen one, or a UFO for that matter, not that I can remember, anyway. The main feedback I got regarding the high goings on of government in the fifties and sixties, was that it was incredibly stupid and run by a bunch of drunks that couldn't find their butts in the dark, with two hands. Woe unto us, if our government makes deals with sophisticated travelers from off this world, the Manhattan Indians will have made a great deal, by comparison.
     
  12. Mar 6, 2005 #11
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    don't want to get too political but alot of people voted for some dumb half literate puppet - good old democracy, snot people proof though blame yourselves too - to run the worlds most powerful country. Anyway being from England we dont quite have the same level of beureacracy involved in national security. MI5, MI6 and various military intelligence units is about it, I really do think that these are our MIB as people have mentioned, aliens if they're here, are I doubt in contact with any particualr government, in fact if history is any indication technological advances are bought mostly by war. Thus Europes ascent to the top of the world pile, consant war between European states, fostered technological advantage, where as initialy advanced civilizations like china and Arabia slowly stagnated. The point being any alien contact would be more likely to be hostile than benevolent or friendlly like another Will Smith film Independence day :smile: MIB, Independence Day, Will Smith knows too much :smile:
     
  13. Mar 6, 2005 #12

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    The aliens budget cuts have severely curtailed their participation in the politics of earth. They now say 'If they want to blow themselves up, let them have at it.' I wouldn't give it a third fingers wiggle if they did.
     
  14. Mar 6, 2005 #13

    Ivan Seeking

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    Maybe. Beyond a doubt the FBI investigated many sightings. They wear dark suits. One thing that strikes me here is the striking lack of B2 or F117 UFO photos that were ever produced. The benefit of hindsight now shows that these do not constitute a large portion of the reports and photos. It would seem that even those lowly creatures who are not debunker's can also recognize a plain old airplane when they see one.

    Oh yes, the government has not investigated UFO sightings since 1968. This also poses a little problem to the UFA explanation. That, or are you promoting a conspiracy of some sort? :biggrin:
     
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  15. Mar 8, 2005 #14
    Hey, I was told that I had a MIB visit when I was a child after I relayed a story to freind about a 'shadow man' that visited me when I was very young and living near edwards afb. I dont think it is the same kind though, it was much more surreal!
     
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  16. Mar 8, 2005 #15

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    That is not necessarily true. Since a lot of UFO photos are just of lights and the military purposely screws with lighting configurations, they can be difficult to identify, even in hindsight.

    And knowing how deviously funny engineers can be, I can imagine them stringing flashing christmas lights under a B-2.
    How so? If the government already knows its an F-117, but the person snapping the photos doesn't, there will be a disconnect between the perceptions of the two groups. The guy with the camera thinks its government agents investigating UFOs and the agents know they aren't.
     
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  17. Mar 8, 2005 #16

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    The MIB dont really concern me. However government censorship on a potential contact signal on SETI or some other VLA is a very serious possibility.
     
  18. Mar 8, 2005 #17

    Ivan Seeking

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    There are few to no photos that I have ever seen in books or other outdated UFO literature that shows a now known craft with claims of it being UFO. Next, your typical lights in the sky get no one worked up but the skeptics and fanatics.
    The US government has no way to receive a UFO report in the first place. There is no agency to which to report. All calls are deferred to the National UFO Reporting Center or other similar sites.
     
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  19. Mar 8, 2005 #18

    Ivan Seeking

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    It is duly noted that Polyb sees shadow people and other things.
     
  20. Mar 9, 2005 #19
    Hey I wasn't kidding! It was an odd, out of palce childhood dream or something, ya got me!!! :grumpy: It only happened a couple of times but it certainly had a twinge of the mystical and surreal. And yes it was near edwards, I was born at antelope valley hospital.


    Russ, you still are going to have a hard time explaining away the credible sightings that have been documented long before the F-117 or anything else out of skunkworks. If they are true then there are phenomena that have yet to be explained or understood. Personally, I see it as an open question that cant be easily debunked so I have a binary reduction. If not true then most of the solid UFO stuff is propaganda that serves many purposes: book sales, covert operations, fun and giggles, etc. If true then the anti-anthropic principle holds: we are on a preserve and we have not yet realized that we are immersed in a galactic civilization because we are still a very primitive and violent species. Unfortunately either cocnlusion cannot be verfied.
     
  21. Mar 9, 2005 #20

    Ivan Seeking

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    What? :surprised I thought you were joking.

    Please do tell. Do you mean the shadowy figure from the corner of the eye thing or was there more to it?
     
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