Are Men In Black Silencing UFO Witnesses?

[godzilla7]

Anyone know of any reports, or even know of anyone who ever had an experience with the ubiquitous (Men In Black) MIB? is it all an attempt to cover up top secret weapons and aircraft research, or are there really UFO sightings that need to be surpressed, in England the airforce turn up so it's more like men in blue, but the techniques of trying to surpress so called UFO sightings by threat, obfuscation and confusion are much the same: after all if you where researching top secret weapons and planes in the Nevada desert and someone were to see them, what would be the perfect way of obfuscatiing the truth, fake some documents inferring the existence of aliens, perfect then anyone who comes forward will be dismissed as a nut or a crank.

OK Major have a draft on my desk by 0400 hrs to leak to the press, nice thinking son.

Is there something out there, or is there something here that needs to be hidden, any ideas?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

If you buy into a government cover up then the MIB make sense. That said, I can also say that after reading thousands of government documents I have seen little to no evidence for the MIB. If the MIB exist then they are a better kept secret than the alleged ET crafts.

 

[cronxeh]

If MIB exists, then they are the Air Force Office of Special Investigations - the only people qualified to deal with these sorts of things, plus they have the necessary clearance, so you can't 'speak' about the UFOs openly because it would be deemed classified. This might explain why there are rumors but no sources - someone might talk, but won't go on an official record for obvious reasons

http://public.afosi.amc.af.mil/index_ns7.html

An interesting observation: "It has been the Air Force's felony-level investigative service since August 1, 1948." A year after Roswell eh, sort of like Dept of Homeland Security after 9/11

 

[godzilla7]

I have read a book by Jeni Randells called MIB, she spent five years reporting incidents where people had been approached by strange intelligence operatives, an ardent ufo sceptic, it was her who gave me the idea that maybe the reason behind theese so called MIB incidents are no doubt top secret operatives, the book doesn't deny that many ex airforce pilots have seen bizarre stuff, and even some of theese ex undercover operatives have said that maybe 1% of all ufo claims had a truly Unidentified source. I find it eminently plausable to say that secret weapons testing goes on all the time, and some people try to cover up leaks about certain tests.

At a lecture once, in fact a lecture by Jenni Randells herself she showed a photo of a little girl in a wheat field somewhere in the USA i forget where, but it was near a military base. floating above the girls head is a fireman, which to all intents and purposes appears to be there. Both the photographer and the little girl obviously have no recollection of a floating fireman, maybe it was a mixing of images, a mix up when he got them processed? A CIA specialist in photography had a look at the photos, and was bewildered as to how the fireman could have been placed in the image as it was so well done that even lighting an focus had all been perfecttly consistent with the fireman actually being there? Why have a fireman in the picture why spend a deal of money to put him there, if you look carefully there is a rocket vapour trail which ends under where the fireman now resided. Jenny had suspected that a secret missile test had been in progress while the photo was taken, later after asking some local connections to the said base and a deal of diplomatic conversation she found out that a missile test had indeed been scheduled for that day but of course the details were classified. MIB is merely a euphamism for the government covering things up in the interest of nastional security.

Real bizarre events do happen but these are a small minority, I am sure many governments have so called credible UFO sightings but MIB is perhaps not a part of the alien cover up?

 

[cronxeh]

Well I can debunk that one for you - its easy, really. Middle of a field? Must be midwest where tornadoes are frequent. Doesnt remember anything? Probably went through a lot of stress and selective memory kicked in and now she won't remember anything.

 

[russ_watters]

If you buy into a government cover up then the MIB make sense. That said, I can also say that after reading thousands of government documents I have seen little to no evidence for the MIB. If the MIB exist then they are a better kept secret than the alleged ET crafts.

My take is that the MiB is just a myth born of a composite of random investigative offices. I'm sure some incidents have been investigated by random government agencies from FBI to military investigators/intel to CIA or even NSA. Say a reporter takes a picture of a strange object flying around Burbank, CA one night (near Lockheed Skunk Works). The next day he might get a visit from a couple of serious looking guys telling him to sign this form saying he saw nothing. Yeah, they'd probably just be Air Force security personnel not wanting him to publish photos of the new stealth fighter, but if he's too rattled he might not remember that. We could start calling the MiB UFA - Unidentified Federal Agents.

 

[Grogs]

My take is that the MiB is just a myth born of a composite of random investigative offices. I'm sure some incidents have been investigated by random government agencies from FBI to military investigators/intel to CIA or even NSA. Say a reporter takes a picture of a strange object flying around Burbank, CA one night (near Lockheed Skunk Works). The next day he might get a visit from a couple of serious looking guys telling him to sign this form saying he saw nothing. Yeah, they'd probably just be Air Force security personnel not wanting him to publish photos of the new stealth fighter, but if he's too rattled he might not remember that. We could start calling the MiB UFA - Unidentified Federal Agents.

I agree with you here mostly. I know that if I got a visit from even a couple of uniformed police I'd be a bit shaken, much less FBI agents.

I still wouldn't totally discount the possibility of a 'true' MIB group though, possibly Air Force Security as mentioned above. Someone has gotten ahold of critical national security information they shouldn't have? Well, you could kill them, but that gets a little messy and hard to cover up. Why not dress up a couple of guys (ex-linebackers are probably good for this role) in black suits and intimidate the bejeezus out of them and see if that works.

 

[poolwin2001]

We could start calling the MiB UFA - Unidentified Federal Agents.

:rofl:
UFO:Unidentified Federal Officers?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Note that UFOs are also known to yachtsmen and sanitation workers as Unidentified Floating Objects.

 

[Dayle Record]

I first heard the term MIB in the late seventies, from a guy that was discussing alien visitation. He was in a coffee shop, someone I had known since the very early seventies. The guy was someone that one person would describe as a Schizophrenic, and another might describe him as a visionary. He was a very soft individual, who had a capacity to drift between reality and non reality, or between energetic dimensions. He was very familiar with the MIB at this time, and gave me a detailed accounting of what they do. They would have not been OSI agents.

I am the daughter of an OSI agent, they were a new kind of agency in the beginning, they took on a lot of stuff, criminal, national security, the blue book and whatever else came along.
It was a brand new world back then, we had just ended WW2 and Americans had ventured out of America en masse for the first time, into Asia, the Pacific islands, North Africa, and Eastern Europe. There was a lot to cover in terms of routine police work in those years, and the security of our intelligence efforts abroad, and the security of our air material and personnel, and politicians abroad.

There are enough retired Astronauts that are willing to discuss encounters of the third kind, why disbelieve them?

Our government can't even dispense sex education materials, and condoms to protect teens from disease and pregnancy. They can't make sense of right or wrong, or how to best serve our people. Don't expect them to freely discuss extra-terrestrials, or the deals they made with them, or the crimes against visitors to this world, or sightings, or any knowledge they may have that conflicts with our comfort zone.

I have no knowledge of matters regarding extra planetary visitors, I have never seen one, or a UFO for that matter, not that I can remember, anyway. The main feedback I got regarding the high goings on of government in the fifties and sixties, was that it was incredibly stupid and run by a bunch of drunks that couldn't find their butts in the dark, with two hands. Woe unto us, if our government makes deals with sophisticated travelers from off this world, the Manhattan Indians will have made a great deal, by comparison.

 

[godzilla7]

don't want to get too political but a lot of people voted for some dumb half literate puppet - good old democracy, snot people proof though blame yourselves too - to run the worlds most powerful country. Anyway being from England we don't quite have the same level of beureacracy involved in national security. MI5, MI6 and various military intelligence units is about it, I really do think that these are our MIB as people have mentioned, aliens if they're here, are I doubt in contact with any particular government, in fact if history is any indication technological advances are bought mostly by war. Thus Europes ascent to the top of the world pile, consant war between European states, fostered technological advantage, where as initialy advanced civilizations like china and Arabia slowly stagnated. The point being any alien contact would be more likely to be hostile than benevolent or friendlly like another Will Smith film Independence day MIB, Independence Day, Will Smith knows too much

 

[Chronos]

The aliens budget cuts have severely curtailed their participation in the politics of earth. They now say 'If they want to blow themselves up, let them have at it.' I wouldn't give it a third fingers wiggle if they did.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

My take is that the MiB is just a myth born of a composite of random investigative offices. I'm sure some incidents have been investigated by random government agencies from FBI to military investigators/intel to CIA or even NSA. Say a reporter takes a picture of a strange object flying around Burbank, CA one night (near Lockheed Skunk Works). The next day he might get a visit from a couple of serious looking guys telling him to sign this form saying he saw nothing. Yeah, they'd probably just be Air Force security personnel not wanting him to publish photos of the new stealth fighter, but if he's too rattled he might not remember that. We could start calling the MiB UFA - Unidentified Federal Agents.

Maybe. Beyond a doubt the FBI investigated many sightings. They wear dark suits. One thing that strikes me here is the striking lack of B2 or F117 UFO photos that were ever produced. The benefit of hindsight now shows that these do not constitute a large portion of the reports and photos. It would seem that even those lowly creatures who are not debunker's can also recognize a plain old airplane when they see one.

Oh yes, the government has not investigated UFO sightings since 1968. This also poses a little problem to the UFA explanation. That, or are you promoting a conspiracy of some sort?

 

[polyb]

Hey, I was told that I had a MIB visit when I was a child after I relayed a story to friend about a 'shadow man' that visited me when I was very young and living near edwards afb. I don't think it is the same kind though, it was much more surreal!

 

[russ_watters]

Maybe. Beyond a doubt the FBI investigated many sightings. They wear dark suits. One thing that strikes me here is the striking lack of B2 or F117 UFO photos that were ever produced. The benefit of hindsight now shows that these do not constitute a large portion of the reports and photos.

That is not necessarily true. Since a lot of UFO photos are just of lights and the military purposely screws with lighting configurations, they can be difficult to identify, even in hindsight.

And knowing how deviously funny engineers can be, I can imagine them stringing flashing christmas lights under a B-2.

Oh yes, the government has not investigated UFO sightings since 1968. This also poses a little problem to the UFA explanation.

How so? If the government already knows its an F-117, but the person snapping the photos doesn't, there will be a disconnect between the perceptions of the two groups. The guy with the camera thinks its government agents investigating UFOs and the agents know they aren't.

 

[cronxeh]

The MIB don't really concern me. However government censorship on a potential contact signal on SETI or some other VLA is a very serious possibility.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

That is not necessarily true. Since a lot of UFO photos are just of lights and the military purposely screws with lighting configurations, they can be difficult to identify, even in hindsight.

And knowing how deviously funny engineers can be, I can imagine them stringing flashing christmas lights under a B-2.

There are few to no photos that I have ever seen in books or other outdated UFO literature that shows a now known craft with claims of it being UFO. Next, your typical lights in the sky get no one worked up but the skeptics and fanatics.

How so? If the government already knows its an F-117, but the person snapping the photos doesn't, there will be a disconnect between the perceptions of the two groups. The guy with the camera thinks its government agents investigating UFOs and the agents know they aren't.

The US government has no way to receive a UFO report in the first place. There is no agency to which to report. All calls are deferred to the National UFO Reporting Center or other similar sites.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Hey, I was told that I had a MIB visit when I was a child after I relayed a story to friend about a 'shadow man' that visited me when I was very young and living near edwards afb. I don't think it is the same kind though, it was much more surreal!

It is duly noted that Polyb sees shadow people and other things.

 

[polyb]

It is duly noted that Polyb sees shadow people and other things.

Hey I wasn't kidding! It was an odd, out of palce childhood dream or something, you got me! :grumpy: It only happened a couple of times but it certainly had a twinge of the mystical and surreal. And yes it was near edwards, I was born at antelope valley hospital.


Russ, you still are going to have a hard time explaining away the credible sightings that have been documented long before the F-117 or anything else out of skunkworks. If they are true then there are phenomena that have yet to be explained or understood. Personally, I see it as an open question that can't be easily debunked so I have a binary reduction. If not true then most of the solid UFO stuff is propaganda that serves many purposes: book sales, covert operations, fun and giggles, etc. If true then the anti-anthropic principle holds: we are on a preserve and we have not yet realized that we are immersed in a galactic civilization because we are still a very primitive and violent species. Unfortunately either cocnlusion cannot be verfied.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Hey I wasn't kidding! It was an odd, out of palce childhood dream or something, you got me! :grumpy: It only happened a couple of times but it certainly had a twinge of the mystical and surreal. And yes it was near edwards, I was born at antelope valley hospital.

What? I thought you were joking.

Please do tell. Do you mean the shadowy figure from the corner of the eye thing or was there more to it?

 

[polyb]

What? I thought you were joking.

Please do tell. Do you mean the shadowy figure from the corner of the eye thing or was there more to it?

I really don't know what it was but it was a strange, surreal, dream-like experience. The real oddity about it was how disjoint and out of place the experience seemed. I was a pretty rational kid who was cognisant of the difference between my waking life and my dream life, thanks to my mother's prompting. It happened on at least two or three occassions as best as I can remember.

Here is how the scenario went: I was sitting in my living room with my sister and step-father when out of nowhere I hear this high pitched ringing. The ringing then begins to pulsate to the rhythm of someone walking, with a kind of a high pitched 'ping' with each step. Immediately I recognize it and I say "Here he comes, the shadow man is coming" or something like that. Then I run over towards the door with some apprehension and look out a side window. I see this 'shadow' with a gold/red iridescence outline as it was walking towards the front door. Meanwhile the same high pitched pulsating noise is happening and it seems almost deafening. It seemed that it was near sunset because the sky background was golden-red like they always are in So-Cal at sunset. So I go over to open the door to let him in but when I open it there is no-one there. Then I turn and look at my step father and sister except now they are both out like lights where just moments before they were wide awake. Then blank, nothing, zilch, zip. I can't remember anything after that!?? The odd part, like I said, was that it was so out of place. I was pretty aware of the continuity between my waking and dreaming life because my mother would always make my siblings and I discuss our dreams. So there you go Ivan, my odd little experience from the high desert of LA county next to edwards afb when I was a young child.

My speculations have ranged from an unconscious projection of my psyche in a lucid dream state to other mythological figures from differing folklores, of course I still consider that within the framework of the psyche and not 'real' per se. It was suggested to me that it was an MIB, but like I said before I don't think it was like the one you get in the x-files. This was stranger than that fiction!

 

[godzilla7]

A few rational explanations spring to mind, the brains an odd and extroadinarily complicated thing and the occasional glitch isn't so strange. After all an epileptic fit is a series of misfirings in the brain, how many times have you heard or seen something that it turned out wasn't there. Halucinations can be cause by lack of sleep, even stress, brain tumours and also strokes etc, maybe a small benign tumour was the cause? or small Haematoma caused the hallucinations.

Did anyone else witness the things you witnessed, it would be stranger if your sister stepdad etc had any memory of a lapse in conciousness or the noises you heard; I would imagine it was specific to you in which case a temporary halucination may have been the cause, very interesting but I would not go so far as to say it ws a MIB experience.

After all they failed miserably, you still remember the event to this day

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Polyb, are you saying that these are memories of something that you perceived to be real experiences? How old were you?

 

[polyb]

godzilla7,
I have considered some of those possibilities but they don't seem to match because I have never been prone to hallucinations or other medical problems so I would consider that unlikely. As for witnesses, I don't think there would be any way to have them recall anything considering it has been a long time.

Ya, if it was an MIB, then they failed miserably!:rofl:

Polyb, are you saying that these are memories of something that you perceived to be real experiences? How old were you?

Yes, something to that effect. It happened when I was five. The odd part was that it was outside the realm of my daily waking and dream life. I was pretty aware of the difference and continuity between the two, but these events were completely out of place and that is probably why I remembered them. I have no idea what it was but it was strange!

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Wow! You sound like you believe that this was real. How long have you had this memory. Is it something that you have always remembered or did it come to you after not thinking about it for many years?

 

[polyb]

Wow! You sound like you believe that this was real. How long have you had this memory. Is it something that you have always remembered or did it come to you after not thinking about it for many years?

It seemed like it was real when it happened but then again so do dreams. It isn't one of those memories that I recalled later, it has been with me since the events. Like I stated before it was so out of place, I can't recall any events before the scenario nor any afterwards. If it was a dream, then it was a strangely profound one. If it was something else, well, who knows? Either way it is one of a few of my little mysterious experiences. There are only a few other ones that compare.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Yikes! Thanks polyb that's really interesting. This must bug you...not knowing what you believe to be real in a situation like this?

 

[polyb]

Yikes! Thanks polyb that's really interesting. This must bug you...not knowing what you believe to be real in a situation like this?

Your welcome!

No, it doesn't really bug me that much. I just accept it for whatever it was even though I have no clue, it was strange! Now that state I was in before I was born, now that one has me baffled!

 

[hypatia]

Try takeing photos in restricted areas...{hint} they no longer wear black.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

If you mean Area 51, that is a military installation. In any case restricted areas are obviously gaurded.

 

[godzilla7]

Men In Black is just euphamism for some covert govt agency, I suppose CIA FBI etc like to wear black so its an image imprinted on the conciousness. But they could be men in beige, the significant thing is a lot of people who have had experiences with strange gov agencies suposedly after witnessing ufos tend to all have the same impression, there was no overt threat towards them, just an implication that if they went to the press or told anyone they would be labled a crank; also the efforts gone to are quite interesting, one case I noted of a man who had telephoned police at the time of witnessing a strange object moving very oddly in the sky, five years after the fact he had contacted the author of the afore mentioned book, in response to an advert in a national paper, had said he had been visited by 2 men each dressed in a very similar manner each appeareed to be an official of some kind, although he could not remember them ever showing any ID, one carried a box which was never mentioned in conversation but was placed on a table, and one of the men constantly stared at this box through out his questioning on the things he'd seen, also he said there was a weird atmosphere about the whole proceedings and the second man never spoke except to make polite hello and goodbyes. His feelings after the questioning which seemed rather odd in itself - it seemed that some questions appeared random or entirely irrelevant - was one of confusion and, he had taken the decision not to report this to the press, because of the suggestions of his reputation being besmirched. There are a number of incidents I could mention but suffice to say there do seem to be government officials who try to obscure sightings of ufo's for perhaps some of the reasons I mentioned in previous postings, or to draw media attention away from genuinely odd phenomina, presumably to make it easier for themselves to investigate, after all a 100 UFO nuts camped out in an area in question isn't exactly conducive to a thorough investigation.