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Reaching infinity

  1. Jan 12, 2005 #1
    We are all a part of reality. Reality is the state which results from events which we percieve as being real. To be real implies that events can be defined. Events that have the characteristic of being real can be replicated. If we are able to define something, then we can recreate it.

    Infinity isn't real in that it has no definitive value. Zero also isn't real because, by definition, it is the lack of any value. To have zero value is as significant as having an infinite value; we can neither comprehend the state of absolute nothingness or absolute everything. However, these two ideas both are a result of trying to explain real processes; we use them to define what we cannot truly define by assigning a specific value. Infinity is a result of reality because not everything in reality can be viewed as being real.

    Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It therefore must be infinite; if one is unable to add/subtract energy from the total amount in the universe, its value cannot be defined. Energy is the fundamental component of everything in the universe, everything that we see within reality is made entirely of energy. Energy is infinite now, and always has and will be forever.

    However, there is evidence of the big bang which created the universe to begin with. So, in the beginning, there had to have been an infinite amount of energy used to create an infinite amount of energy. Not necessarily was it used to create it, but in order for a ball of infinite energy to be there, there must have been that very infinite value of it placed there. It had to have been a condition in which infinity was defined, and therefore real.

    Chaos is intertwined with infinity. As a result of the big bang, infinite energy had been distributed in space and complete chaos ensued. Random events which eventually had lead to the organized conditions that we percieve in reality. The planets orbitting the sun, the moons around the planets, etc. These things had no intention of finding order like that, it was purely by chance that they took on that organized form. So, if chaos can reach organization by means of random order, and this chaos is a result of infinity, it follows that infinity itself must have some kind of underlying organization. From this, one day perhaps we can even describe the overall effect that is produced by infinity, and maybe even recreate it, making it real.

    In order to accelerate a mass to the speed of light, it requires an infinite amount of energy. If we one day understand infinity and are able to recreate it by whatever means, then we can bring a mass to the speed of light by giving the mass an infinite amount of energy. However, in doing this, we will be forced to create an infinite amount of energy. As I said before, if the universe is made of infinite energy, then it must have been created by using an infinite amount of energy. If we create an infinite amount of energy to reach light speed, we will essentially be creating the universe again. There will be a big bang, and everything will start again.

    Perhaps it's always, infinitely been that way...? Through understanding the universe, and being able to define everything that makes it, we become gods. In our great search for knowledge, we finally reach the ultimate goal and end up losing all we had gained. It's just so fitting, I think.

    Will we ever learn that life isn't about answering questions?

    Alright, I know that this may be erronous! I don't know a whole lot about physics and such, and what I do know I HOPE I hadn't distorted.

    Anyways, I thought it was a pretty interesting thought...
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  3. Jan 12, 2005 #2
    yes :wink:
  4. Jan 12, 2005 #3


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    This notion is problematic. 'Real' means something like 'actually existent.' Reality refers to the totality of that which is actually existent. It may very well be that not all that exists is amenable to definition. Certainly there appears to be no a priori reason this must be the case. In fact, depending on one's notion of 'definition,' it is arguable that subjective experience cannot be completely defined, but the question of whether subjective experience is real is another altogether. One can coherently believe that subjective experience cannot be defined, but that it is real nonetheless.

    Again, dangerous. I think we can both agree on the reality of, say, the physical state of the universe exactly two billions years ago. That doesn't imply that we can recreate the physical state of the universe of two billion years ago. It's certainly impossible in practice, and, depending on the laws of physics, may be impossible even in principle.

    The criterion you used for establishing the reality of a phenomenon was that it could be defined, not that it could be attributed some definite numerical value. These are two different things. Infinity has no definitive numerical value, but it certainly is defined.

    And again: you have just defined zero, so by your standards, we should consider it real.

    Perhaps we can't comprehend these in a visceral sense, but we can define them.

    Also, note that infinity is not defined as "absolute everything." For example, the set of all odd numbers is infinite, in that it has no greatest element. But the set of all odd numbers does not even include all of the natural numbers, let alone everything.

    What is the difference between 'defining' and 'truly defining'?

    But previously, you said, "Reality is the state which results from events which we percieve as being real." Which is it?

    Non sequitur. There is no logical contradiction in supposing the existence of a finite entity that cannot be created or destroyed.

    Again, non sequitur.

    I won't comment on the rest of the post, except to note that it relies heavily on the flawed arguments above. This will not form the basis for much of a productive discussion.
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