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Relative velocity problem

  1. Feb 25, 2007 #1
    Suppose two bodies A and B are moving perpendicular to each other with velocities 'a' and 'b'.

    A with 'a'
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    ---------------------------------------------->B with 'b'


    Now how would they measure their relative velocitites?As A's velocity in the direction of motion of B = 0 ,B would feel that A is moving away(linearly) from it with a velocity'b'
    And A would feel that B is moving away with velocity 'a'.

    Now how do we compare their relative velocity? This is in order to aply the Lorentz transfomation.
     
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  3. Feb 25, 2007 #2

    Meir Achuz

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    To find A's velocity with respect to B, make a LT with velocity b, using the transformation laws for velocity a (separate law for a perp and a parallel to b).
     
  4. Feb 25, 2007 #3
    Or rotate the system so that A and B are moving away from each other along an axis.
     
  5. Feb 25, 2007 #4
    But the velocities of A and B have components that hav the value of 0 in their respective axes.

    Like if A measures velocity of B in his direction of motion,it comes out to be zero :(
    Im confused
     
  6. Feb 25, 2007 #5

    Hootenanny

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    No it doesn't. Remember that A is moving upwards in your diagram.
     
  7. Feb 25, 2007 #6
    Yea i get that,but in his DIRECTION of motion wouldnt he be measuring the velocity of B as zero?
     
  8. Feb 25, 2007 #7

    Hootenanny

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    Okay, try it this way. How fast is B moving away from A from A's rest frame?
     
  9. Feb 25, 2007 #8
    with velocity 'a'? and with veolcity 'b' in the direction of the perpendicular axis
     
  10. Feb 25, 2007 #9

    Hootenanny

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    Yes, so what is the magnitude of this velocity?
     
  11. Feb 25, 2007 #10
    umm..
    a + bcos(theta)
     
  12. Feb 25, 2007 #11

    Hootenanny

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    Perhaps, the hypotenuse of your triangle...
     
  13. Feb 25, 2007 #12
    ok ok sry its the resultant of the two vectors sry :p.How foolish of me
     
  14. Feb 25, 2007 #13

    Hootenanny

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    No problem, and the direction of the resultant vector is...?
     
  15. Feb 25, 2007 #14
    the positive direction of the x axis.BBut one more question..wudnt we do resultantcos(theta) to get the magnitude of the vector in the reference frame's exact direction?
     
  16. Feb 25, 2007 #15

    Hootenanny

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    No it isn't.
     
  17. Feb 25, 2007 #16
    y isnt it ??????

    r(x)=a(x) +b(x)
    r(y)=a(y) +b(y)

    r=r(x)i + r(y)j

    r(x)=b
    r(y)=a

    so y isnt it?the answer is positive
     
  18. Feb 25, 2007 #17

    Hootenanny

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    Think about it for a minute. What is the direction of the resultant velocity (think about the 'poeple swimming across a river' questions that I'm sure you've done.)
     
  19. Feb 25, 2007 #18
    umm i havent done the above stated question.Im n grade 10.


    but wats wrong with the resultant as i said in my previous post?
     
  20. Feb 25, 2007 #19

    Hootenanny

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    I asked for the direction of the resultant velocity and you haven't given it, you've just given two components, which is what we were given at the start of the problem.
     
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  21. Feb 25, 2007 #20
    r(x) is positive and so is r(y)

    so
    r=b i+a j

    So whats the problem if theyre in the positive direction of the x and y axes?
     
  22. Feb 25, 2007 #21

    robphy

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    IMHO, in spite of the subject matter, this thread seems more like a homework-type question.
     
  23. Feb 25, 2007 #22
    Hehe,but i cant get y im wrong:S
     
  24. Feb 25, 2007 #23

    Hootenanny

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  25. Feb 25, 2007 #24
    err..thnx
    but still please tell me if both r(x) and r(y) are positive wats wrong?

    sry but i still cant get it
     
  26. Feb 25, 2007 #25

    Hootenanny

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    When I say resultant vector, what does that mean to you?
     
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