B Relativistic Sphere

Einstein's Cat · May 2, 2016

Say there is a theoretical sphere of radius r, at rest, then if it's velocity changes then I assume that the radius is subject to length contraction and thus it's volume would decrease from a stationary observer. Is this assumption true?

jedishrfu · May 2, 2016

This might answer it:

http://www.spacetimetravel.org/fussball/fussball.html

The sphere becomes an ellipsoid but due to the finite speed of light and the fact that the light travels different distances to reach your eye you will still see a sphere.

A similar case occurs with a relativistic cube where the cube contracts relative to the stationary observer but the observer actually sees a cube rotated slight toward him/her so that you see the side and the back together because light from the fornt edge gets to your eyes sooner than light from the back edge.

http://www.spacetimetravel.org/tompkins/node1.html

Look up Terrell rotation for more details:

http://www.math.ubc.ca/~cass/courses/m309-01a/cook/terrell1.html

pervect · May 2, 2016

Einstein's Cat said: ↑

Say there is a theoretical sphere of radius r, at rest, then if it's velocity changes then I assume that the radius is subject to length contraction and thus it's volume would decrease from a stationary observer. Is this assumption true?

It's easier if you consider a sphere at rest in it's own reference frame, and asks what happens if you ask what it's shape is in some frame moving relative to the sphere's rest frame. That way you don't have to worry about the notion of "rigidity".

The sphere when seen from a moving frame does indeed Lorentz contract in one direction, assuming the shape of an ellipsoid. The volume of the sphere in the moving reference frame is lower, volume is therefore a frame-dependent quantity like length is.

Einstein's Cat · May 3, 2016

pervect said: ↑

It's easier if you consider a sphere at rest in it's own reference frame, and asks what happens if you ask what it's shape is in some frame moving relative to the sphere's rest frame. That way you don't have to worry about the notion of "rigidity".

The sphere when seen from a moving frame does indeed Lorentz contract in one direction, assuming the shape of an ellipsoid. The volume of the sphere in the moving reference frame is lower, volume is therefore a frame-dependent quantity like length is.

What is the relationship between the volume of the ellipsoid and its radius?

jedishrfu · May 3, 2016

Check wikipedia here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsoid

Einstein's Cat · May 3, 2016

jedishrfu said: ↑

Check wikipedia here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsoid

Thank you for your help. How do the "radii" of a, b and c change with the velocity of a sphere however?

Ibix · May 3, 2016

The ones in the y and z direction don't change. The one in the x direction scales as ##\gamma##.

Einstein's Cat · May 3, 2016

Ibix said: ↑

the x direction scales as ##\gamma##.

I see because length contraction is in the direction of one dimensional motion. I apologise but what does the quote above mean?

Ibix · May 3, 2016

What you said. Although I should have said ##1/\gamma##. At speed v the length is ##\sqrt {1-v^2/c^2}## times its rest length.

Einstein's Cat · May 3, 2016

Ibix said: ↑

x direction scales as ##\gamma##.

Sorry to go on but when you say scale do you perhaps mean that "x new"
= 1/Lamda * "x rest"?

Ibix · May 3, 2016

Einstein's Cat said: ↑

Sorry to go on but when you say scale do you perhaps mean that "x new"
= 1/Lamda * "x rest"?

That's a gamma (##\gamma##), not a lambda (##\lambda##), but otherwise yes.

Einstein's Cat · May 3, 2016

Ibix said: ↑

That's a gamma (##\gamma##), not a lambda (##\lambda##), but otherwise yes.

Thank you very much and I'll go and revise greek letters!

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