Back when Clinton lowered taxes on the middle class? Ah, the glory days...
The problem with Bush's tax cut is that you will pay back anything you get extra in your check, by way of increased state taxes over the next few years. In addition, your few extra dollars is nothing comared to teh tens of thousands that the top 1% will be getting.Originally posted by Kerrie
what is defined as the middle class as far as income bracket? i received a few extra dollars on my paycheck recently when Bush lowered the taxes recently...certainly i am not promoting him, but i wonder what is regarded as the middle class? i thought it was for 30K-80K annually...
You're going to have to explain the difference here between increased state taxes you foresee due to Bush and the rise in my state and property taxes that were due to Clinton's unfunded mandates.Originally posted by Zero
The problem with Bush's tax cut is that you will pay back anything you get extra in your check, by way of increased state taxes over the next few years. In addition, your few extra dollars is nothing comared to teh tens of thousands that the top 1% will be getting.
Balanced budget, baby! Surpluses galore! Funded social programs!There's your difference.Originally posted by kat
You're going to have to explain the difference here between increased state taxes you foresee due to Bush and the rise in my state and property taxes that were due to Clinton's unfunded mandates.
If you're very wealthy and make over 90k per year, then your taxes would have gone up. Clinton's tax policy was "progressive," it favored education and the 10-90k /yr households over richer Americans, whom it used to eliminate the deficit that was theirs to begin with.If I remember correctly, Middle class taxes went up significantly during the clinton administration
The difference is, one party will be honest with you and tell you that they're going to do it while the other will lie about it.regardless of the party in control, taxes will increase.
Europe has done that, but not at the ludicrously high 20%. Sales taxes hurt those with the smallest amount of money the most, and such a huge tax burden would cripple the economy. Are you really going to get that $75 worth of groceries when it costs you $90?I propose a fixed sales tax on everything, abolish the income tax, I'm not exactly sure what % the tax would be, lets say for the sake of argument 20%,
Nope, I don't lock things that disagree, if they are presented in a reasonable fashion. Posting against me personally is against PF guidelines(you should actually read them before agreeing to them, everybody). If you want to point out reasonable problems with Clinton, feel free. Just remember that it is easy to pick on Bush, because he actually lies about taxes, national security, energy policy, Iraq, etc. Clinton lied about his personal life, which is none of our business.Originally posted by Shadow
Zero there is no point in arguing with you, for to you, anything Bush says is a lie therefore putting his supporters at a disadvantage in your eyes, and you have ignored logical arguments against Bill Clinton several times and whenever someone posts something against you or something that you dislike, if you are against it enough you have locked the topic or edited the post so really, what is the point in arguing with you?
All Map, No Road was locked. The third to last post was you telling Russ to leave and me to stay on topic while I was really explaining what was going on. The second to last post was made by Scwartz who said something you cant even deny agreeing with, you have similar words in some of your own posts. And then after that you said "And on that note, we're through" and locked the topic. And there is also "If Bush Knowingly lied about WMD's should he go to Jail?" You asked a question in that topic:Nope, I don't lock things that disagree
and I responded sayingWould you care to explain how this relates to Bush on any level, even if it were true?
He was responding to Schwartz. Look back a few posts, schwartz said
Nobody died because of Clinton's fillandering and subversion. Lots of guys died from Bush's lies. You think Bush is morally superior? I don't.your next post wasSo we've been responding. hope i helped.Thanks alot...you just got this thread locked.
Have a nice dayhuh. what do you call that?
Well first off in the topic All Map No Road, (i believe it was if not it was Did bush knowingly lie...) There was a personal attack against someone else and I and you simply told me to ignore the personal attack. and second look more carefully at what I typed:Posting against me personally is against PF guidelines(you should actually read them before agreeing to them, everybody).
I typed OR something you dislike and/or against.whenever someone posts something against you or something that you dislike, if you are against it enough
Yeah, in your opinion. You don't know these things for sure and basically the little proof you have posted besides your own word is surely democratic, and they all want Bush out anyways.Just remember that it is easy to pick on Bush, because he actually lies about taxes, national security, energy policy, Iraq, etc.
Which is different from you not trusting anything a republican says?'well, if it came from Democrats, I don't want to hear it, because tehy want him out'
Hmmm...and somehow her looks matter? Why do you keep bringing that up? Maybe because that is the only sort of complaint that can be made against the Clintons: shallow personal attacks.Originally posted by Shadow
Zero, I live in New York, have you really seen her? *shudder*
Hilary did do a lot of things Bill wasnt that great. And "for the last time" they were more his policies than his wife's.
Go ahead edit my posts see if I care. Everyone will know you edited them in your own way twisting them into your weird fashion.
Keep bring it up? Maybe because you brought it up here:Hmmm...and somehow her looks matter? Why do you keep bringing that up?
so I brought it up again. Do you have a problem with everything I post?Oh, and an insult to her looks
Well, you made a comment on topic...care to support that claim? "They are morons" isn't much more convincing than "She is ugly", you know?Originally posted by Shadow
Keep bring it up? Maybe because you brought it up here:
so I brought it up again. Do you have a problem with everything I post?
Fine if you want a real attack how about they are politically blind morons that only do what the public want and won't take a step up to do something that is actually good for the nation or the world.
Well, Clinton needed to scale down the military, hell, someone had to! Trimming pork from the military was necessary in order to pay for more useful programs, and Bush's current spoending certainly doesn't support the military.(I speak from some small experience, I was enlisted in the Marines from 1994-98...and when did you serve?) Of course, Clinton cared a bit more about spending on people, and less about funneling taxpayer dollars to his business partners, like Bush and Cheney do.Originally posted by Shadow
*editff-topic..see how that works?*
anyways if you are a president you are supposed to help the country correct? How does beraking down the military, and cutting pay to those in the military help? How does revealing military secrets to known enemies (or certainly not allies) help? In a perfect world with world peace going strong, sure go ahead and break down the military but the 90's were certainly not a time of peace in the world and that was the wrong thing to do.
You can't fight terrorists with tanks, no matter what the Bush administration claims. You certainly don't fight terrorism with overpriced, unwieldy artillery pieces, or a unworkable missle defense 'sheild'. And, of course, Clinton's administration twarted a few terrorist attacks, and actively targeted Osama bin Laden, a mission that was hindered by the wasteful and unconstitutional impeachment efforts by the anti-America branch of the Republican Party, which now controls the whole thing, apparently.Originally posted by Shadow
I think he should have left the military alone. If you breakdown the military then you have less of a defense against terrorist attacks which are not just a threat to the united states, but to every country in the world; well, except those that support terrorism. The point is that he got as many threats of terrorism as bush did in his first months of office before 9/11 and he took them less seriously than bush. He broke down the military while receiving the same threats as bush did except clinton wasnt the one blamed.