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Remembering Grunge

  1. Jun 18, 2003 #1
    Best musical genre ever....

    Remember when Kurt Cobain blew his brains out? Some say that was the day that grunge died. Others say the spirit of grunge had already been raped in the capitalistic sense which is ultimately that which caused Kurt Cobain to commit suicide.

    Remember the post-grunge era? People just didn't know what to do during that time. They were like, "Should we listen to Foo Fighters? She we listen to Hole?"

    I remember a friend talked me into going to a frat party in 1996. I was hesitant because naturally fraternities are just groups barbaric, repressed-homosexual, Republican date-rapists. However, I had no plans that night so I went anyway. I remember they kept playing Bullet with Butterfly Wings. I knew for sure at that point that grunge was dead.

    Although I hate to admit it, Bullet with Butterfly Wings was actually a good song. I think Melancoly and the Infinite Sadness was (the) Smashing Pumpkins equivalent of Nevermind. Billy Corgan never killed himself, it seems like he just got pissed off and quit. Although Smashing Pumpkins has produced new work since that time, it seems like they're just doing it for the money at this point. I get the feeling they don't want to waste any effort or beauty on stupid people who can't appreciate good music.

    Is it possible to make music that is so good, it destroys itself?

    Let's think about the bands that really survived... Jane's Addiction, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Soundgarden, Sonic Youth (of course). What did they do differently?

    eNtRopY
     
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  3. Jun 18, 2003 #2

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    Grunge was just a cover for people afraid to step into a real mosh pit. Kurt Cobain got all this credit for revolutionizing music, when it was already changing, with or without him.

    Janes Addiction isn't still together are they? That dude has had I don't know how many bands. RHCP were ahead of there times, so much, that music is just not starting to catch up. Soundgarden has been busted up for sometime, and I don't really think you can call that grunge can ya?

    And people don't even credit the metal that has been around since Ozzy's days, working the back lines, shunned by MTV and keeping the true spirit alive. Usually, metal does it first and everyone else copys.

    I mean, how about Pantera, In Flames, Mettalica, Megadeath, White/Rob Zombie, Anthrax, to name a few. These bands have been trend setters before people new it would be something they'd like. Look at Anthrax, some 10 or more years ago with Public Enemey doing Bring the Noise.

    Really, Kurt Cobain and the clones did good by getting radio opened up to new music.

    Of course, I grew up listening to classic rock, and trapped in North Carolina, so my opinion is more then likely not mainstream.

    One thing I can say is I'm glad people have finally let this whole Cobain issue go. I remember a point in time where it looked like a funeral everywhere you went on the anniversarys of K.C.'s death. People trying to bring him to the level of Elvis, saying he's not really dead and such.

    You think in 20 years we'll have Kurt Cobain and Lane Staley impersonators?
     
  4. Jun 18, 2003 #3
    That's true... it slipped my mind. I know that they have basically formed a new band but I haven't heard it, and I can't remember the name. They were around during grunge, but they didn't become big until after the fact.

    eNtRopY
     
  5. Jun 18, 2003 #4
    If Nirvana never happened would any of the above have ever made it? I personally dont like the above bands but think Nirvana where pretty damn good at what they did, without actually liking the Grunge genre.
     
  6. Jun 18, 2003 #5

    Tom Mattson

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    For sure, the Chili Peppers would have made it. They are not grunge, no way, no how. Those guys are heavy funk, more in the spirit of George Clinton and Bootsy Collins than anyone else.
     
  7. Jun 18, 2003 #6

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    i don't think grunge was limited to just a music style...i live in the northwest, and it was reflected in everyone my age ( i was 19-20 years old then )...it had to do with attitude, style of clothing, along with music...i remember it was a real turning point in culture here in portland or...and yes, i was very much a part of it
     
  8. Jun 19, 2003 #7
    Nirvana had to be the most overrated band in the history of mankind. I liked grunge, don't get me wrong, but I don't think for one second Kurt Cobain had much in the way of talent, I have always said the best thing to come out of Nirvana was the Foo Fighters.
     
  9. Jun 19, 2003 #8

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    what about pearl jam? i always thought they got labeled as grunge.

    and they're still alive and kickin', they're playing right by me saturday.
     
  10. Jun 19, 2003 #9
    I like the passion of the music.

    I sometimes wish that it had a bit more to it, as I find that it grates on me quite quickly.
     
  11. Jun 19, 2003 #10
    They're releasing a new album this month.

    eNtRopY
     
  12. Jun 19, 2003 #11
    Yeah, Pearl Jam was grunge. They were pretty good too. I'm just not liking their latest album at all... and what the hell is a Bushleaguer?

    eNtRopY
     
  13. Jun 19, 2003 #12
    I liked the fact that during that era girls would wear BABY DOLL DRESSES with TIGHTS and MARY JANE SHOES! Goddamn I miss those days!

    eNtRopY
     
  14. Jun 23, 2003 #13
    i personally think nirvana was overrated. kurt cobain, in my opinion, didn't do much for music.

    the red hot chili aren't grunge, they're a little of everything. i think they could have made it without nirvana and cobain.

    as for foo fighters.. i think they are pretty good. dave grohl is awesmome. i can't believe he could just go from playing drums in nirvana to playing guitar for foo fighters. its pretty amazing.

    i'm out. later guys.
     
  15. Jun 23, 2003 #14
    Don't forget the singing! He is an all roudner that is for sure.
     
  16. Jun 23, 2003 #15

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    i still can't get over dave grohl cutting his hair... that was wild back when he was still drumming. and i'm going to see them in 7 days!

    and back to pearl jam, i also saw them last saturday (it was undescribable, it was so good, i think that is the best show they'll put on all tour) they're alive and kicking, but they seem more grown up. all have short hair. also, mike mccready was wearing a cutoff ramones shirt, so i'm thinking now that they were more of a punk-influenced band, fused with the grunge.
     
  17. Jun 24, 2003 #16
    Most of you probably weren't even around for the grunge scene. I was, and like Kerri said, there wasn't one definitive type of music associated with that scene. I remember the same people who listened to Sonic Youth, like myself, also appreciated the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, NIN and the Sugar Cubes. Actually, back then we just called the music associated with the scene alternative music. It's difficult to call it alternative music these days because by the time the mid-90s came around, everything was called alternative music -- even total **** like Green Day... no, I mean especially total **** like Green Day.

    Needless to say it was a good time, and if you're under the age of 25, you missed the fun.

    eNtRopY
     
  18. Jun 24, 2003 #17

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    Green Day sucks by the way...Sugar Cubes began way before grunge (and now Bjork has a solid music career)...
     
  19. Jun 24, 2003 #18
    Don't worry about it, nobody likes Green Day anyhow.

    Also, I never said the Sugarcubes were grunge, but they were definately considered alternative at that time. Anyway, they came out in the late 80's (maybe 1988) which is when grunge was starting to pick up. I mean come on, I remember Nirvana coming out with About a Girl at that time.

    One more thing, sure Björk has a solid music career now, but has she really changed her style at all in the last decade? I mean, I remember at one time how much I liked her unique, crazy, alti-girl style... but I mean how long is she going to keep this up for? Besides, she's a mother of a teenager now; it seems as though her style would have matured somewhat.

    eNtRopY
     
  20. Jun 24, 2003 #19
    What year did grunge get BIG, as in popular? was it the same time as Nevermind was released?
     
  21. Jun 25, 2003 #20
    When I was in the tenth grade ('91-'92), you could start buying grunge wear at mall stores like American Eagle Outfitter, and you could see mainstream grunge all over MTV.

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