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Reply to Kat: women in ME

  1. Jun 13, 2004 #1
    Dear Kat,

    I am sorry for to hear that from you!! In fact you injured me by talking such things about my society!

    I support human right and personal freedom. In fact I am not politician, I am scientific researcher who spending most of the time to solve the scientific problems to improve the lives of any human. I do not care about religion, color, race … I care about everybody individually. Also I got several scientific degrees from European Universities (7 years of studding and teaching), so I know both cultures quite well.


    What you said about women in ME (my region) is pure propaganda!!

    In fact raping or mistreating women in ME is considered as worse than murdering!! It is something link with Honor. In our societies, no human can survive if he lost his honor.
    I agree that in some small conservative villages still what called ‘’honor killing’’, but it is limited crimes … also it is exist among Muslims and Christian. As I know , Jordan is one of the popular societies in what called honor killing , annually there are around 24 victims, on the other hand , there are thousands of victims in Europe every year who killed by their ex boyfriends or ex husbands.


    I am willing to discuss with you this sensitive topic and to provide accurate information, just if you willing to join ‘’logic and scientific discussion’’.

    ((Mahaba Bilal,

    I don't know about the rest of the claims in the post but I do believe that the Reporters who claimed abuse were proven false.
    Other then that, the statement above is absolutely false. It has happened to women under dictatorships in the ME and it certainly happened repeatedly under Saddams reign. In fact it was done by him and his sons.
    The ME doesn't win any kind, gentle and respectful awards where there women are concerned. If anything, one of the greatest shames of the middle east is how they treat their women.
    In all incidences the men who do this to women should be arrested and punished severely (I'd prefer cutting their you know whats off) BUT in the ME, it will be the woman who is punished NOT the men and in the U.S. it will be the man, or the perpatrator as it seems women are just as capable of being beast as any man.
    Now, why don't you tell us how they punish their women when they are raped in the various ME countries?))
     
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  3. Jun 13, 2004 #2
    ((Mahaba Bilal,

    I don't know about the rest of the claims in the post but I do believe that the Reporters who claimed abuse were proven false. ))

    In fact it is proved to be true, even all the Congress men saw the Video tape about raping an Iraqi woman.

    ((Other then that, the statement above is absolutely false. It has happened to women under dictatorships in the ME and it certainly happened repeatedly under Saddams reign. In fact it was done by him and his sons. ))

    Uday used to have many girlfriends; he also killed one of them. For this reason those people got bad image in ME. Most of the guests of Uday are those girls who working in night clubs. Surely he NEVER care about mother of three kids or 12 years old child.

    Saddam did not try to harm the women because he knew that everything is possible except raping women!! It is REALLY very sensitive topic in our region.During Saddam era, Abu Garib prison was called ((the prison without women)), while there are many women are suffering in this jail because they are cousins of former Baathists!!


    ((The ME doesn't win any kind, gentle and respectful awards where there women are concerned. If anything, one of the greatest shames of the middle east is how they treat their women.))

    Again, this information is incorrect!! May be in Bedouin societies or small villages there are some problems, but surely our women have all respect. In my country, 60% of University students are girls. Also women can wear any clothes and have completely freedom. Only in Saudi Arabia and in Iran they are strict about clothes.


    ((In all incidences the men who do this to women should be arrested and punished severely (I'd prefer cutting their you know whats off) BUT in the ME, it will be the woman who is punished NOT the men and in the U.S. it will be the man, or the perpatrator as it seems women are just as capable of being beast as any man.))


    Again these information is incorrect, if any man want to die he just try to touch a girl!! In street in any girl ask help , she always correct and the man incorrect. He could lose hs life for trying to do anything with her.

    I saw in Europe some cases that boy attack girl in middle of street and she was screaming and asking help. Dozen of people watching her and waiting the police to arrive!! This never happen in ME, because before the police arrive, this man will be punished by the people.

    ((Now, why don't you tell us how they punish their women when they are raped in the various ME countries?))

    I am very sorry to hear such comments!! Who the hell told you about raping! Could you provide unbiased sources? Raping crimes I ME are the lowest in the world, because the criminal will be punished by the government and by the family of the girl. Also, death is the punishment of rapists in all ME laws.
     
  4. Jun 13, 2004 #3
    Dear Admin,

    This topic is sensitive and so important. Please do not close it, I wish we could have informative discussion, instead to follow blind propaganda. Ignorance about others is our first enemy!

    I do not know why you closed the topic about raping of Iraqi women!!
     
  5. Jun 13, 2004 #4
    This would be better addressed in emails. Please restrict your comments to each other to that format.
     
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