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News Republican Holocaust or Democrat Desperation?

  1. Sep 30, 2009 #1
    Florida Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson spoke about health care reform on the floor of the House. Below are some of his comments.


    "Instead of saying he was sorry about accusing Republicans of wanting people to “die quickly,” he gave an apology “to the dead.”

    “I would like to apologize,” he said. “I apologize to the dead and their families that we haven't voted sooner to end this holocaust in America.”

    His sarcasm, delivered on the House floor, drew a swift rebuke from the National Republican Congressional Committee, which hopes to see Grayson defeated in an Orlando-based swing district next year.

    “This is an unstable man who has come unhinged,” NRCC spokesman Andy Sere said. “The depths to which Alan Grayson will sink to defend his indefensible comments know no bounds.”

    Grayson told reporters he’s not worried at all about a backlash from voters and instead thinks his chances for re-election have been boosted.

    “It improves them,” he said. “People like elected officials with guts who say what they mean.”

    But in the same interview, he wavered between suggesting he meant what he said Tuesday night – “Republicans want you to die quickly” – and saying it had been a tongue-in-cheek satire."

    Unless this was an act of desperation, Representative Grayson obviously doesn't take health care reform seriously. On one hand he claims the comments were made to gain votes, on the other he says the comments were made tongue in cheek.

    The US health care crisis is real. However, the "real" problem includes obligations of $107,000,000,000,000 in future years due to misappropriated Social Security Trust Funds, and unfunded Medicare and Medicaid expenses.

    It's time to apply problem solving techniques to focus on addressing the "real" problems and stop re-election antics and childish tongue in cheek nonsense.

    Personally, I'd like to see health care reform legislation put on hold until after the 2010 elections. This would allow "we the people" to weigh in to the debate - in a serious manner and with a clear mandate regarding health care reform.
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  3. Oct 1, 2009 #2
    I heard a bit of an interview with him where he was asked if he did not see the similarity between his speech and Wilson's outburst. He said that he did see a difference because what he had said was the truth then he made some comment about republicans being knuckle dragging neandrethals and that we have a new president now and need to do what he wants us to do.

    edit: There's a video posted here with the interview http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/alan-grayson-republicans_n_305661.html
  4. Oct 1, 2009 #3
    http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/muddy+the+waters" [Broken]
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  5. Oct 1, 2009 #4
    Would you care to make a comment with at least a small sampling of substance?
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  6. Oct 1, 2009 #5
    would it really make a difference? i haven't found that even the mentors here are capable of dealing with political issues without getting their panties in a twist. just a bunch of yah-yahing at each other like the politicians do. it's tiresome.

    in any case, that's just the sort of thing this politician is doing, muddying the water, slinging feces. i don't understand your need to intellectualize it.
  7. Oct 1, 2009 #6
    follow the money
    still a very good idea
    the neo-conned favor the CORPs over people
    the insurance CORPs are paying big bucks to the GOP
    and a few blue dogs who follow the CORPs over people line

    we need the public option
    anything else is a sellout
    to the insurance CORPs
    and they do want you to die quickly
    to max their bottom line
  8. Oct 1, 2009 #7
    It was probably not be best response to choose. I think it's justified. I don't know what exactly is happening in the states, but it seems like a lot of people are content in playing politics and being ignorant. Some people believe that it's the best country in the world still. To much business involved with government, Health care is in shambles. Economy is diving, debt.

    Scared of a single payer health care system, even though because of it some undeveloped nations have been able to compete or excel in respects to the states. It's eerie how warped the states is now. People still believe in a free market, which doesn't exist anywhere. Scared of using proper regulations. Scared of "socialism" even though the list of social programs that people use day to day.

    So sure its was overboard, but that is the result of what is happening. To play the ignorance game. If it continues to happen more and more other countries are going to isolate themselves from the states. I think it's even happening now.

    You don't have to have a single payer system (embrace the idea atleast though) but then recognize that you need the proper regulation to make it work. Especially in health care. Government will say no! here are some tax breaks to help you out, while they are having discussions with the companies that provide heath care. Their purpose is only to make profit, and they will. Since the population is widely ignorant thanks to politics they can get away with it.

    I don't know how it got so backwards.
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  9. Oct 1, 2009 #8


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    My wife and I are fighting with her insurance company right now over a test that her doctor ordered, and they refuse to pay for.

    Post menopausal women, women who have had a complete hysterectomy, and women 55 or older are at greater risk for osteoporosis than the general population, and my wife fits all three criteria. Her doctor ordered a bone-density test (reasonable and customary practice) and Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield refuse to pay for it, saying that they won't pay for such a test when it is performed for "screening purposes" absent symptoms and diagnosis of osteoporosis. How ignorant is that? The patient actually has to start exhibiting symptoms relating to loss of bone density before you can check to see if she is suffering from osteoporosis? It's pretty insane.

    You would think that an insurance company would willingly pay for a screening test to detect and address such a potential problem before it becomes advanced and more difficult and expensive to treat. If you think that, you would be wrong. Yet another case when a person who has "insurance" is denied coverage to make short-term profit at the possible expense of her health.

    Grayson should be applauded for being willing to say what many of us experience - health-care "insurance" does little to promote preventative care, and they are ready to drop you like a hot potato if you develop a serious illness. The GOP and the Blue Dogs want to keep the staus-quo, which is failing more and more Americans.

    BTW, lest we pretend that the Democrats in power actually want to help all US citizens get affordable health care, look at the Baucus bill. It contains NO public option, and it requires people to get health insurance from private insurance companies, both provisions that favor the private insurers. The bill was written by his senior staffer, who was most recently the VP of public relations for Blue Cross and Blue Shield of California.

    Correction: Liz Fowler was the VP of Public Policy and External Affairs for Wellpoint. The reason for the conflation is that I had read that Wellpoint's subsidiary, Blue Cross of California had been fined for illegally dropping coverage on patients who became sick or pregnant. Fowler worked at the corporate level during the time that Wellpoint was fined $1M by CA state regulators for illegal rescissions. $1M sounds like a lot of money until you find out that the company's profits are running over $3B/year.

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  10. Oct 1, 2009 #9
    ray b, please support all of your comments.
  11. Oct 1, 2009 #10
    Well said.
  12. Oct 1, 2009 #11
    ??? who are you to tell me to do anything ?????
    with just over a 100 posts your new here

    you do know google is free USE IT YOURSELF

    only the hard right spinners donot think
    the GOP favors CORPs over people
    or that the insurance CORPs see threats to their profits
    so the lobbyists funding is flowing to keep the status quo
  13. Oct 1, 2009 #12


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    You could use google to support your comments too. It's not our responsibility to prove you right
  14. Oct 1, 2009 #13
    Please read the rules ray b. If you have 4 times as many posts as I do, I shouldn't need to ask you to support your comments - you should know better.
  15. Oct 1, 2009 #14
    Once again.
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