we have an ideal monatomic gas which intially occupies 27*(10^-3) m^3 at a pressure of 3.2*(10^5) Pa and at a temperature of 400K. We have to find the heat supplied to the gas, the work done on it, and its increase in internal energy when it is compressed isothermally at 400K to a volume of 8*(10^-3) m^3.(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});

We were given a standard solution to this question which works out work done using W=-P*dV. I think this is incorrect, though as work done is a function of state and therefore is path dependent, so we would need to be informed that the path was reversible before we could figure out the work done in this way. We know the change in T=0, and for ideal gas U=U(T) therefore change in U is zero, therefore by 1st law W=-Q, so we can find a relationship between the two but can't calculate anything explicitly. I think this is right but am not sure.

Also, I'd like to discuss the fact that W>-PdV for irreversible changes. I can't quite get my head around the inequality. If a gas was to expand by a certain volume reversibly, then it would do a certain amount of work on the surroundings. If it was to expand irreversibly it would have to do the same amount of work on the surroundings to expand in volume, but it would also have to do work against frictional forces. Therefore the amount of work would have greater modulus but -ve sign. Surely then dW <-P*dV??

Thanks very much.

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