Richard III -- king in a car park

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The discussion revolves around the archaeological findings related to the skeleton believed to be that of Richard III, including insights into his physical condition, historical context, and media portrayals. It encompasses aspects of history, archaeology, and the implications of Richard III's scoliosis on his life and battles.

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  • Some participants share links to studies and reports about Richard III's skeleton, noting the presence of scoliosis and multiple injuries sustained during battle.
  • One participant expresses interest in Richard III as a historical figure, indicating a lack of deep knowledge in English history but a fascination with the character.
  • Another participant mentions a PBS episode exploring how Richard's scoliosis might have affected his combat abilities, highlighting a modern experiment with a young man who has a similar condition.
  • Concerns are raised about the treatment of Richard III's remains, with one participant commenting on the inadequacy of his burial site compared to historical standards for royalty.
  • A humorous take is presented on the modern portrayal of the experiment, likening it to a reality show format with dramatic elements.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the significance of Richard III's condition and the handling of his remains, with no clear consensus on the implications or the appropriateness of the burial site.

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Some discussions touch on the limitations of current understanding regarding the historical context of Richard III's life and the interpretations of his physical condition, which remain open to further exploration.

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Here is the latest report of the archaeologists who have examined the recently discovered skeleton in Leicester, which most likely is the remains of Richard III:
http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/087/0519/ant0870519.pdf
 
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Thank you, arildno! That is a very informative study. I am not well-versed in English history, but Richard III is such an interesting character...
 
King Richard III's Final Moments Were Quick & Brutal
http://news.yahoo.com/king-richard-iiis-final-moments-were-quick-brutal-231734860.html

The last king of the Plantagenet dynasty faced his death at the Battle of Bosworth Field on Aug. 22, 1485, only two years after ascending the throne. The battle was the deciding clash in the long-running Wars of the Roses, . . . .

The initial analysis of Richard III's skeleton highlighted the king's scoliosis and battle scars, including at least eight wounds on the skull. In the new postmortem, detailed today (Sept. 16) in the medical journal The Lancet, scientists took a deeper look, recording 11 injuries on Richard's skeleton that occurred around the time of death, including nine injuries to the skull.
Ouch!

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21245346
 
PBS has dedicated an episode of their series Secrets of the Dead to an exploration of how Richard's severe scoliosis might have affected his ability to participate in battle. A currently living young man whose scoliosis closely matches Richard's (as determined from Richard's actual skeleton, now available for examination) was suited up in medieval armor and trained to fight on horseback and with the sword to see if he could duplicate the battle feats ascribed to Richard. Well worth watching for history and Shakespeare buffs.
 
Here http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-30216824 latest news on this.

Looks like they don't do royal tombs like they used to, this is hardly fit for a king IMHO.

Custody of the bones have been as hotly contended as any medieval holy relic - I think the City of Leicester is rather desperate to have it as an attraction for visitors.

It is not outstandingly well known for any others. ;)
 
zoobyshoe said:
PBS has dedicated an episode of their series Secrets of the Dead to an exploration of how Richard's severe scoliosis might have affected his ability to participate in battle. A currently living young man whose scoliosis closely matches Richard's (as determined from Richard's actual skeleton, now available for examination) was suited up in medieval armor and trained to fight on horseback and with the sword to see if he could duplicate the battle feats ascribed to Richard. Well worth watching for history and Shakespeare buffs.
I saw that, seems the armour and the wooden saddle were ideal for someone with Richard's condition. Very interesting.
 
zoobyshoe said:
A currently living young man whose scoliosis closely matches Richard's (as determined from Richard's actual skeleton, now available for examination) was suited up in medieval armor and trained to fight on horseback and with the sword to see if he could duplicate the battle feats ascribed to Richard. Well worth watching for history and Shakespeare buffs.

That sounds like a reality show. Answers want ad for "spine curved just like this", the sad goodybyes to his fellow Tesco workers, numerous failures and breakdowns as he questions his desire and ability to be a knight, inspiration, montage, and finally a hell of a lot of cleanly sliced melons.
 

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