I am referring to the Leviticus 18:28, as I quoted above, which explains that when the Israelites defile the land they will be exiled from it, and the events of that are explained though the Books of Kings.
mmmmmmmm ..There are many differences between various translations of Torah, just there are many differences between translations of Quran. However, the translations of Torah (and Tanakh as a whole) which are used by Jews and most Christians all come from the same ancient Hebrew Masoretic Text which was settled on around a millennium ago. Only some Christian Bibles are based on earlier Aramaic and Greek translations.
i read it an other place .. i don't remember where exactly but not here surely .. and one of my friends told me that once ..The statement that the Israelites right to the Holy Land is conditional is straight out of out of Torah (Leviticus 18:28), and the loss of that right as well as the instructions for living in exile until that right is redeemed is detailed throughout Tanakh (notably Song of Songs 2:7, 3:5, 8:4). Even speaking strictly in a secular sense, the violation of those instructions is what brought the destruction of the Second Temple, revolting against Roman rule rather than maintaining limited autonomy under it.
i know that a lot of people saw that .. but in fact u can reread the history of how and why israel was established .. and the main crises that happened then you'll find that religion is not too far way ..This is also why the Rabbinical consensus until recently opposed any suggestion of building a Jewish state, and religious arguments for the Zionist movement only gained popular support as conditions in Europe grew exceedingly worse for Jews. For example sake, note that the First Zionist Congress of 1897 was originally to be held in Munich, but was moved to Basel under protest from the large Jewish communities in Germany.
As for the ancient ancestral claims, here is a report on a DNA study from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem:
So, again, the theological linages you two are discussing hold no weight in either side's claim to the land over the other.
oh dear don't be that sharp in judging my speech !!I didn't say anything to suggest otherwise.
Please present whatever facts you believe back your arguments, or are you putting faith somewhere it doesn't belong? If it is the latter, there is no peace to be found in that.
facts .. it's just a matter of gathering these facts .. since David ben Gurion uptill now ...So again I am curious to know; what facts you believe back your argument, or is your argument not based on facts?
If by "facts" you mean a few quotes where he mentioned God when it suited him, don't bother as I've likely already see them. However, I assure you that if you take time to research on David ben Gurion and the history of the Zionist movement in general, you will find it was largely secular in nature, in contradiction to millenniums rabbinical consensus, and hence staunchly opposed by the vast majority of religious Jews in it's early years.hey dear Kyleb
facts .. it's just a matter of gathering these facts .. since David ben Gurion uptill now ...
i may be late in it .. coz i'm working now on a research
I have moved these posts discussing ""right of return" (Palestinian)" to a new thread. Do not attempt to hijack this thread with personal opinions about the current military actions.
Since making my previous replies to you, I looked up some polling stats and now I think you might be right that there is some reason for optimism regarding eventual justice for Palestinians.Greed is certainly the drive behind the leaders this conquest over Palestine, but the same was true for the conquest of whites over blacks in South Africa. Apartheid in South Africa went on for decades with tactile support of governments in the US and elsewhere. However, as public awareness of the wickedness committed in our names spread, and our self-indulgent leaders were eventually forced to conform to the standards of justice which are sacrosanct to the greater population. I see the same build toward a tipping point happening here, and am at a loss as to find any tangible basis for your pessimism to the contrary.