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Rocket equation? verfication

  1. Dec 14, 2007 #1
    is this equation true

    Fnet=[m(Vf-Vi)]/Delta T

    net force is equal to the mass times the change in velocity all over time

    thanks alot
     
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  3. Dec 14, 2007 #2

    malty

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    Well if it was reexpressed as

    [tex] F_n_e_t=m(\frac{v_f-v_i}{\Delta t}) [/tex]

    Does that help?
     
  4. Dec 14, 2007 #3

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    It should be the average force over time delta t in place of Fnet.
     
  5. Dec 14, 2007 #4
    the formula malty gave is correct but how can you verify this formula is correct

    I get where shooting star is coming from but i need to find the net force of the rocket

    so far all i know is my two inclinometer reader posted scores of 53 and 54 degrees with a time of 1.03/1.07 seconds the mass of the rocket and the mass of an empty and full engine

    i can solve the net force but i need to verfiy the formula is correct or not

    this formula came out of a Nelson physics 11 book i don't have access to the answer manual if i did it would tell me if this formula is correct or not
     
  6. Dec 14, 2007 #5

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    malty and I have given the same formula.

    Does the book define what is net force? Why don't you tell us what is meant by that? It's also a good idea to state the problem completely and show what you've done so far.
     
  7. Dec 15, 2007 #6
    See attached jpeg for my attepmt

    I need to find the

    F(thrust)
    F(net)
    Acceleration
    Fg
    Vmax

    I can find Eg and Ek easily myself but the problem is with the rest
     

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  8. Dec 15, 2007 #7
    Vf would be zero becasue the rocket is at the top of it height

    soooo.... would Vi be 65.0m/s



    If Vi is 65.0 m/s then using your formula

    Fnet would equal 8372.878 Newtons**

    ** the (mass of the rocket full with engine)+(mass of the rocket empty)/2** is the mass of the rocket assuming the reaction is constant

    am i correct?
     
  9. Dec 15, 2007 #8

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    The equation [itex]\bar F = m(v_f-v_i)/\Delta t[/itex] is a direct consequence of Newton's second law and the mean value theorem for an object with constant mass. That equation is not valid for a thrusting rocket since the mass of a rocket. You need to use the Tsiolokovsky rocket equation, [itex]\Delta v = v_e\ln(m_{init}/m_{final})[/itex]. For more details, see this tutorial on rocket dynamics.
     
  10. Dec 15, 2007 #9
    Tsiolokovsky rocket equation i have the intial mass(beofre lauch) and final mass(after launch)

    we timed how long the reaction(white smoke) took before the rocket flew so how could i findout the Ve of my rocket

    thanks inadvance
    cashman91
     
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  11. Dec 15, 2007 #10

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    Now perhaps you understand why I'd asked you to state the problem completely. There was no indication in your first post that mass was changing. Let's wait for the attacment to get approved.
     
  12. Dec 16, 2007 #11
    figured out my Vav is 31.71 m/s
    height is 68.82m and time is 2.17s

    Vav=(delta d)/(delta t)
     
  13. Dec 16, 2007 #12
    still nedd help
     
  14. Jan 2, 2008 #13
    anything
     
  15. Jan 3, 2008 #14

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    If you post the problem framing it properly in a single post, then people would be more inclined to help you. Maybe the whole thing is there, but nobody has the patience to gather up the pieces and fit them to find out the original problem.

    I'm trying to help you.
     
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