Russia and China role in Arab: political and economic policies

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Perhaps because the real story behind Abu Ghraib and other instances of abuse are a little more complicated and because even the US Senate has said, "The abuse of detainees in U.S. custody cannot simply be attributed to the actions of "a few bad apples" acting on their own.." (http://armed-services.senate.gov/Publications/Detainee%20Report%20Final_April%2022%202009.pdf [Broken])

I think it's safe to say the US doesn't have a history of detainee abuse prior to Bush and that the treatment of Abu Ghraib detainees was not the policy of the US, even under Bush. It was a systemic problem, however, as there were things the Bush administration did that set up a bad situation. In effect, Abu Ghraib was what happens when you delegate low priority interrogations to subcontractors with little expertise and let them interpret and apply badly written guidance on their own, and, even worse, somehow let poorly trained National Guard troops believe they're working for those subcontractors.

I was never a George Bush fan - but let's be fair.

It's easy to remove September 11, 2001 from the conversation - similar to removing Pearl Harbor from a discussion of Japanese persons held on US soil - isn't it?

If you want to have a discussion comparing the US to China or Russia - that would require FULL Disclosure of the actions of all - wouldn't it?
 
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I was never a George Bush fan - but let's be fair.

It's easy to remove September 11, 2001 from the conversation - similar to removing Pearl Harbor from a discussion of Japanese persons held on US soil - isn't it?

If you want to have a discussion comparing the US to China or Russia - that would require FULL Disclosure of the actions of all - wouldn't it?

The handling of Americans of Japanese descent was worse in principal, but better in practice.

The bad: Any American that had 1/16 or more Japanese ancestry was barred from living on the West Coast, except in internment camps. Technically, the internment camps were intended for those that couldn't afford to relocate from the West Coast, but an accompanying resolution that froze the assets of Americans of Japanese descent turned an exclusion zone resolution into a virtual internment resolution, since, suddenly, there were a huge number of Japanese-Americans that couldn't afford to relocate.

The good: Technically, it wasn't mandatory internment, although freezing assets kind of diminished the impact of that part.

The worst: We did that to our own citizens, based simply on their ancestry - not on any real link to Japan.

The absurd: We didn't do that in Hawaii. With over 1/3 of Hawaii's population being of Japanese descent (or at least of 1/16 Japanese descent), the presumed threat might be greater, but interring such a huge percentage of Hawaii's population would have brought the island to a standstill.

The exclusion zones and internments were a knee jerk reaction that pandered to the populace's prejudices and served no practical purpose.

To Bush's credit, he made many efforts to prevent a war against al-Qaeda being confused as a war against Islam. On the negative side, incidents such as Abu Ghraib were indicative of an entire administration that just didn't work very well.

And, yes, there's a big difference between policy (Japanese-American treatment during WWII, Soviet & German treatment of detainees on the Eastern front, etc) and incidents that happen because of poor administration (Abu Ghraib).
 
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I was never a George Bush fan - but let's be fair.

It's easy to remove September 11, 2001 from the conversation - similar to removing Pearl Harbor from a discussion of Japanese persons held on US soil - isn't it?

If you want to have a discussion comparing the US to China or Russia - that would require FULL Disclosure of the actions of all - wouldn't it?

Japan as a government who declared the war on USA, while 11/9 is done by small extremist and isolated group. May be the percentage of KKK in America or the new Nazi in Germany is higher than Al-Qaeda percentage in the Islamic world.

Also without the support of USA in the 80s, Al-Qaeda could never exist.
 

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