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Saddam Captured!

  1. Dec 14, 2003 #1

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    The coalition forces in Iraq have finally captured S Hussein, in his home town of Tikrit. Apparently, his identity is confirmed by DNA testing, so there is little room for doubt. Certainly, this is a very positive development, and maybe things over there will now begin to get better.

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    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,561435,00.html
     
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    I just saw Paul Bremmer (currently visiting the Netherlands) giving a Pers conference. He had this to say: "Ladies and Gentlemen. We got him." End pers conference

    Very good.
     
  5. Dec 14, 2003 #4

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    AGAIN???!
     
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    1) Every single thing the USA does to any of these nations they are targeting increases the hostility against them by all of those nations. However, Bush actually wants this, as it justifies all his actions.

    2) I suspect we will see truck-bombs and such at USA bases in Iraq over the next few nights. Massive attacks. Loyalists will attempt to spring the guy free.

    3) Notice the operation names? Operation "Red Dawn". Red Dawn was a movie in which great American heroes fought the dirty communists. The two groups of troops in the operation were called, I believe, Wolverine One and Wolverine Two. In the movie Red Dawn, the heroic American lads and lasses called themselves the Wolverines. Yes, they named the whole operation after a good-guys/bad-guys movie. This, I feel, reflects the entire gung-ho attitude of the troops over there.

    4) Given that the USA refused to participate in any international form of justice (their refusal to join the ICC), under what international standard can they put Hussein on trial? Or will they once again do a Camp X-Ray and simply say "We don't need law, we don't need justice, we can simply do what we want with him"?

    5) Do you think Saddam Hussein will be viewed as a living martyr by those willing to take up arms against America?
     
  8. Dec 14, 2003 #7
    Gee Adam, and here I have just heard this and came here to tell everyone if they hadn't yet, I thought it was good news.
     
  9. Dec 14, 2003 #8

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    I agree that loyalists are very unpredictible and might take this news as an all-or-nothing incentive to do some real harm to the military.

    On the other hand, the released videos show a very meak saddam hussein who is not resisting his arrest and medical examination, this will instill doubt of the greatness of their leader.

    You also have to remember that Saddam Hussein has been in power over the last 33 years and his regime was based on overpowering fear to the citizens of his country. It is a great thing that this leader has been taken off the street so that the citizens at least have gained some freedom of speech and actions.

    Now we will have to see how strong the people are who acted underneath Saddam Hussein and if they will continue his actions.
     
  10. Dec 14, 2003 #9
    I agree, the good people will be very encouraged. The bad people will be discouraged, but because they are insane in the first place, they will stay the same or get wrose in their attacks. Unless of course Saddam was the head guy in all the attacks, in which case it might get eerily quiet...
     
  11. Dec 14, 2003 #10
    Oh, I agree that Saddam Hussein is a nasty guy, and in the long run Iraq will probably be better off without him. However, I do not agree with the method of removal, and I do not approve of the lies involved with the invasion.
     
  12. Dec 14, 2003 #11

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    Saddam has been on the run since May, I am very sure that he has not been behind any of the attacks since then. I mean, how many people have the military taken in custody? Saddam couldn't trust anyone, since everyone could be a traitor and disclose his location (which happened quite a few times, right?) in this case too, it is very likely that one of his contacts talked to the military after which they caught him.

    I am surprised that Saddam didn't commit suicide upon capture, he must be very aware that this is the end of his life as it has been.
     
  13. Dec 14, 2003 #12

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    Yeah, they're dancing in the streets again - more evidence they hate us.
    Quite possibly. The next few days will be interesting.
    We should send him to the Hague where he can bunk with Slobo. Incidentally, how was he removed from power...?
     
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    Don't forget that media can misrepresent an image, remember those cheering people when the military reached the heart of Iraq? It seemed like there were crouds and crouds, but a camera which was filming from a distance showed only a handfull of people.

    So yes, the victims of Saddam's regime are cheering with this newfound freedom, but there also a lot of extremists who don't like to have the power taken from them in this way, fueling their hatred.

    Yes, there is controversy how Saddam will get a 'fair' trial, in Iraq he would probably be decapitated no questions asked. I too have rumours that the Hague might be the place of justice.. we'll see how things play out. I guess it will be a big no no to have a trial in the US?
     
  15. Dec 14, 2003 #14
    This is fantastic news. Even though there might be some retaliation from the Saddam extremists the entire world is a better place today.
     
  16. Dec 14, 2003 #15
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    Many Iraqis are indeed celebrating. However, I doubt very much that the families of the 8000+ innicent Iraqis killed by US bombs are celebrating.

    After the war mostly passed, the locals rose up against him and dragged him into custody.
     
  17. Dec 14, 2003 #16
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    You site how many Iraqis were killed by the Evil US but not how many Iraqis were killed by that poor Sadaam guy who was just minding his own business?
     
  18. Dec 14, 2003 #17
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    8000+ is an exaggeration . . . but you can double that number when you consider the thousands upon thousands of Kurds that were killed by Saddam's regime.

    Bombing was justified . . . in order to oust Saddam.
     
  19. Dec 14, 2003 #18

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    Let's get a hold of ourselves, folks. The morality of the war has been pretty much debated into the ground, and I don't this new development changes that. I think we can all agree that the capture of Saddam is a positive development, even if HOW positive it turns out to be is arguable. IMHO, at the least it will have an effect on the borderline groups, and so affect the guerilla's recruitment capabilities.

    How the trial - and there better be an open trial that is internationally recognised - happens will indeed be pretty significant.
     
  20. Dec 14, 2003 #19

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    Sodom Hussein is a dead man. His trial will be by a court empowered to provide a death penalty, probably an Iraqi court, or a US military tribunal. The outcome will be a death penalty. It will take little time; I expect the entire process to take about nine months.

    He will be held by the US until all desired information is extracted from him. Already, as I write, information is becoming available proving his linkage to and his support of Al Quaida. Finding the whereabouts of WMD is now certain. I suspect the French and German leaders are dreading the prospect of his interrogation that will reveal their alliance with him.

    One can only ponder the effect on other totalitarian leaders who now have witnessed the hole in the ground and the disheveled person found to be cowering in it. What’s-his-name in North Korea went into hiding about a month ago. What’s-his-name in Libya has become helpful in providing anti-terrorist information. What’s-his-name in Syria will suddenly find co-operation with Israel to be very important. Now is the time for the Iranian people to expel their despotic and despicable government.

    GW Bush, Tony Blair, the leaders of Spain, Poland, and indeed all of our steadfast allies deserve the thanks of the peace loving people in the world as one more evil regime finds justice.

    Does anyone know if Bin laden has a more comfortable hole to hide in?
     
  21. Dec 14, 2003 #20

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    A show trial is the worst possible consequence of this development. If Bush was to say something like this, the situation can majorly backfire.

    An intriguing logic, this assuming conclusions and waiting for supporting facts.

    http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=421901&section=news

    This may be the most postive outcome - switching from visiting blood vengence on former officials to rebuilding Iraq as viably independent.
     
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