Scary New GOP Poll

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Scary New GOP Poll


How reliable is this poll?

It reads:
•57% of Republicans (32% overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim
•45% of Republicans (25% overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"
•38% of Republicans (20% overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did"
•Scariest of all, 24% of Republicans (14% overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."

A sign of trouble yet to come!?
Isn't it a recipe for a disaster?
I realize that there's anger brewing against Obama ... but political assassination!?
 

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Depending on who you ask and how you ask, you can get about any poll results you want. If you ask college graduates if Obama is a US citizen or if he is a Muslim, those numbers would plummet, even among Republicans.
 
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The poll was looking for a specific answer, and it got it. Where is the option for "Obama is a US citizen etc. etc."

It's like Ford asking people how much they hate GM.
 
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The poll was looking for a specific answer, and it got it. Where is the option for "Obama is a US citizen etc. etc."

It's like Ford asking people how much they hate GM.
From the article:

The poll, which surveyed 2,230 people right at the height of the health-care reform debate, also clearly shows that education is a barrier to extremism. Respondents without a college education are vastly more likely to believe such claims, while Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped. It's a reminder of what the 19th-century educator Horace Mann once too-loftily said: "Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge."
 
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Are the complete poll results somewhere? I'm wary of reading the summary.
 
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I wonder if that poll and its results are not part of promotional campaign for the books mentioned. But I can be wrong.
 
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Are the complete poll results somewhere? I'm wary of reading the summary.
Complete results to be released tomorrow (3/24)
 
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Hitler and Obama are both chronic oxygen consumers. Not to mention they both utilize adenosine triphosphate in an earily similar way.
 
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Hitler and Obama are both chronic oxygen consumers. Not to mention they both utilize adenosine triphosphate in an earily similar way.
And you never see pictures of them in the same room .......
 
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And you never see pictures of them in the same room .......
Actually, I have here a picture of Hitler and a picture of Obama, so you are wrong.
 
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The poll was commissioned in support of selling a book, Wingnuts. It is not a "GOP Poll", despite what the author of Wingnuts is saying - it was conducted by Harris. The way Harris did their poll is with an internet web site, and they use their own private methodology to correct the responses for the large sampling biases of an online survey.

It's entirely possible that "57% of Republicans" really is "1% of Republicans", but weighted to appear to be 57%. One cannot tell; Harris is understandably very cagey about this.

Interestingly, 6% of Democrats believe he may be the Antichrist. That's about the size of the fraction of Democrats who voted against health care. :devil:
 
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So the survey said that of the random people that clicked random answers for fun on a website - 57% also clicked the I am a republican box?
 
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It's entirely possible that "57% of Republicans" really is "1% of Republicans", but weighted to appear to be 57%. One cannot tell; Harris is understandably very cagey about this.
Harris is a fairly reputed polling organization (or am I mistaken?). I highly doubt that a 57% result is just as likely to be a 1% result. That said, I've seen more than a few polls conducted around election time reporting that roughly 20% of Republicans believed Obama was a Muslim1 (as opposed to 57% in the present Harris Poll).

Anyone got a link to the actual polling data from Harris? I couldn't find it in their database at harrisinteractive.com

1. See, for example: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1176/obama-muslim-opinion-not-changed
 
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Scary New GOP Poll


How reliable is this poll?

It reads:


Isn't it a recipe for a disaster?
I realize that there's anger brewing against Obama ... but political assassination!?
Weren't there equally biased polls against Bush?
 
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Weren't there equally biased polls against Bush?
I don't think anyone believed Bush was the anti-christ.
Although you could picture him riding a little red tricycle in the Whitehouse.
 
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The worst part about this is that those figures actually seem believeable to me after just one hour of Fox Republican News...

Yeah, there's gonna be an assassination attempt against Obama. After all, if they'd assassinate Chester Arthur or John Kennedy, someone will try to assassinate Obama.
 
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Here's the poll: http://news.harrisinteractive.com/p...sp?BzID=1963&ResLibraryID=37050&Category=1777

From the statement on methodology:
Respondents for this survey were selected from among those who have agreed to participate in Harris Interactive surveys. The data have been weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel, no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated.
In other words, they can offer no estimate of how accurately this reflects the views of the country.

A few notes:
-For an "online poll", this isn't as bad as some people seem to think. This isn't an open poll where people can stuff the ballot box by telling all their friends to vote (see: Colbert exercise bike on the space station).
-Some of the questions are reasonable, some silly. I'd be interested to know how people react to silly questions: do they give silly answers? Though I generally participate in polls because I want my opinion counted, I might give a silly answer to a silly question or blow-off/sabbotage a pollster who I think has an adgenda I don't like.
-Some of the questions are broadly worded, perhaps deliberately, to inflate the quantity of "yes" votes (as some here have commented-on with the Hitler question).
 
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Eric Cantor claimed to be a victim of such violence, but police investigated and determined that a bullet-hole in a window of his un-marked office space was the result of random gun-fire. Still, our valiant "press" in its quest for even-handedness (as opposed to truth) included that in stories about violence and threats against Democrats. The sad truth is that radicals in the GOP are encouraging attacks on supporters of health-care reform. Sarah Palin released an relatively uninformative map targeting Democrats, using graphics of rifle-sights. Boehner said "Take Steve Driehaus, for example," he says. "He may be a dead man. He can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati." The jerks issue "clarifications" explaining that they don't mean to incite violence, though that's not the message that the crazies take home.
 
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Eric Cantor claimed to be a victim of such violence, but police investigated and determined that a bullet-hole in a window of his un-marked office space was the result of random gun-fire. Still, our valiant "press" in its quest for even-handedness (as opposed to truth) included that in stories about violence and threats against Democrats. The sad truth is that radicals in the GOP are encouraging attacks on supporters of health-care reform. Sarah Palin released an relatively uninformative map targeting Democrats, using graphics of rifle-sights. Boehner said "Take Steve Driehaus, for example," he says. "He may be a dead man. He can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati." The jerks issue "clarifications" explaining that they don't mean to incite violence, though that's not the message that the crazies take home.
I realize it's been a long time, but I seem to recall some threats made toward Bush. I also seem to recall a movie that depicted an attack on him - did anyone find that troubling?
 
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I realize it's been a long time, but I seem to recall some threats made toward Bush. I also seem to recall a movie that depicted an attack on him - did anyone find that troubling?
The movie? No, not really. It was a drama about an asasination attempt. Violence and its consequences is a common theme of movies.
 
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Eric Cantor claimed to be a victim of such violence, but police investigated and determined that a bullet-hole in a window of his un-marked office space was the result of random gun-fire. Still, our valiant "press" in its quest for even-handedness (as opposed to truth) included that in stories about violence and threats against Democrats. The sad truth is that radicals in the GOP are encouraging attacks on supporters of health-care reform. Sarah Palin released an relatively uninformative map targeting Democrats, using graphics of rifle-sights. Boehner said "Take Steve Driehaus, for example," he says. "He may be a dead man. He can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati." The jerks issue "clarifications" explaining that they don't mean to incite violence, though that's not the message that the crazies take home.
I think inciting violence is bad. The whole media coverage of this had me laughing though. It seems everyone, including the congressmen themselves, are completely oblivious to the fact that their entire line of work revolves around the perpetuation of violence.
It is amzing to me how people can compartmentalize the same behaviors into different moral realms based on an assigned class. People who write rules that will be enforced with violence are just doing their jobs; people who might threaten these people with violence for doing such are crazies.
Note I don't approve of any violence whatsoever, be it that of these activists or that of the Federal government.
 
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I realize it's been a long time, but I seem to recall some threats made toward Bush. I also seem to recall a movie that depicted an attack on him - did anyone find that troubling?
At least threats against Bush were in proportion to what he was doing. Bush started a war which killed hundreds of thousands of people. Bush ordered the torture of prisoners.

Obama made changes in the way health insurance companies are allowed to operate.

There's a chasm of difference between the two things being protested. Bush was quite literally killing people. Obama reformed health insurance.
 
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At least threats against Bush were in proportion to what he was doing. Bush started a war which killed hundreds of thousands of people. Bush ordered the torture of prisoners.

Obama made changes in the way health insurance companies are allowed to operate.

There's a chasm of difference between the two things being protested. Bush was quite literally killing people. Obama reformed health insurance.
LOL - I suppose you think Bush was part of the 911 "conspiracy"? Bush deserved threats and Obama is just doing what he believes is best for us? Grow up.
 
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Let's get some perspective, folks. Sitting presidents get death-threats all the time, and Bush was no different. Anybody that doesn't think Obama isn't getting WAY more than any white president in recent memory is living in La-La land. I do not envy his security details one little bit.

What we have now is bitter and disillusioned right-wingers targeting individual Congressional members for supporting health-care reform. Having lived through the worst of the civil rights movement, the Viet Nam war and domestic protests, etc, I've seen a lot of animosity directed at elected officials, but none with this disproportionate threat level. The GOP has to distance itself from the crazies and the right-wing media that spurs them on or they will be crushed in the upcoming elections. They will carry only the radicals and the moderates and the independents will either stay home or vote for Democrats.
 

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