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I wonder if this will help increase funding for NMD ?
 
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This rather serious thread gets one reply? Is no one concerned about this?

I for one am worried about the people of China....

If they really will use a nuke on the United States then the people of China are in a lot of trouble.

Townsend (hopes that at the very least all the westerners like The Smoking Man would be able to get out of China before it would be to late)
 
Townsend said:
This rather serious thread gets one reply? Is no one concerned about this?

I for one am worried about the people of China....

If they really will use a nuke on the United States then the people of China are in a lot of trouble.

Townsend (hopes that at the very least all the westerners like The Smoking Man would be able to get out of China before it would be to late)
And I'm sure in your context you will go on believing that.

This general stated that he was speaking from his own personal perspective and not as a spokesman of the state.

Kind of like you.

You're sure this has never happened in the USA?

William G. "Jerry" Boyington?
 
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The Smoking Man said:
And I'm sure in your context you will go on believing that.

This general stated that he was speaking from his own personal perspective and not as a spokesman of the state.

Kind of like you.

You're sure this has never happened in the USA?

William G. "Jerry" Boyington?

I am through talking with the likes of you if you cannot refrain from putting words into my mouth. If you want to tell me what I am saying for me and then tell me what you think about what you said I am saying, then why don't you just go argue with the wall?
 

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The Smoking Man said:
And I'm sure in your context you will go on believing that.

This general stated that he was speaking from his own personal perspective and not as a spokesman of the state.

Kind of like you.

You're sure this has never happened in the USA?

William G. "Jerry" Boyington?
Curtis E. LeMay, Air Force/SAC - who wanted to nuke Russia and China - and wanted to "bomb Vietnam back to the Stoneage".

General Douglas McArthur, who wanted to use nuclear weapons in Korea.

and a host of other nuts.
 

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The NMD is a joke. LASERS will make it obsolete before it ever works.
 
Townsend said:
I am through talking with the likes of you if you cannot refrain from putting words into my mouth. If you want to tell me what I am saying for me and then tell me what you think about what you said I am saying, then why don't you just go argue with the wall?
I must say that I am surprised.

You addressed me directly and I responded.

I re-stated your assertion that you spoke your opinion which I can document if you'd like.

I then showed you an instance of a high ranking military officer in the USA who made similar statements.

Astronuc has supplied you with some other references. I would also go as far as saying that it was McArthur's opinion that the US should have continued to Beijing.

Is it just because you are not used to people questioning your opinion or that you can't admit when you are wrong?

Every word I said was the truth.

This is from YOUR own link:

However, some US-based China experts cautioned that Gen Zhu probably did not represent the mainstream People's Liberation Army view.

“He is running way beyond his brief on what China might do in relation to the US if push comes to shove,” said one expert with knowledge of Gen Zhu. “Nobody who is cleared for information on Chinese war scenarios is going to talk like this,” he added.
Gen Zhu said his views did not represent official Chinese policy and he did not anticipate war with the US.
Can you point out where I went wrong?
 
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The Smoking Man said:
Can you point out where I went wrong?

yep..when you said:

Kind of like you
If you're not trying to tell me what I am saying for me then what do you mean by saying what you did?
 
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Pengwuino said:
Meh, saber-rattling, nothing more.
Right, but it still freaks me out...
 
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Pengwuino said:
Meh, saber-rattling, nothing more.

I disagree. Unless you mean that a warning is saber rattling?

This is not bravado. It is a message. If the USA continues on it's world domination conquest, the Chinese will resort to nuclear war if necessary. You can bank on it.

The denials are politics. If there were no denials, the guys would get into an "oh yeah!" situation and the war could start next week.
 
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Happeh said:
This is not bravado. It is a message. If the USA continues on it's world domination conquest, the Chinese will resort to nuclear war if necessary. You can bank on it.
That is scary...there will be a lot of dead Chinese people, a lot. I am certain that if China launched a nuke at the US we would destroy their entire country in the blink of an eye. I think that is scary and also very sad....
 
Townsend said:
yep..when you said:



If you're not trying to tell me what I am saying for me then what do you mean by saying what you did?
He expressed his opinion, kind of like you. Didn't you say that was okay on the other thread?

Does he have to get his own URL so we can quote him?
 
Townsend said:
Right, but it still freaks me out...
Well, now you know what happened with Kim Jong Il and why it is not wise to sabre rattle in front of an unballanced ruler.

It's called diplomacy.
 
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The Smoking Man said:
He expressed his opinion, kind of like you.
Then I misunderstood you...

my apologizes...
 
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The Smoking Man said:
Well, now you know what happened with Kim Jong Il and why it is not wise to sabre rattle in front of an unballanced ruler.

It's called diplomacy.
I don't follow what you mean, could you explain it some more?
 
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Townsend said:
That is scary...there will be a lot of dead Chinese people, a lot. I am certain that if China launched a nuke at the US we would destroy their entire country in the blink of an eye. I think that is scary and also very sad....

I am curious. Do you say there would be a lot of dead chinese people because that makes you feel better? You think the Chinese would not start a war if the consequences would be lots of dead Chinese people?

I hate to break it to you but that would not stop them. The Chinese have 5 billion people. Someone could blow up 3 billion of them. So what? Plenty more where they came from.

If there was a nuclear war, where someone thought they would be victor, I think the entire planet would be dead. It would take too many nukes to ensure destruction of the other side. The nuclear winter would get every left. I think it is much more likely that there would be a limited nuclear exchange. Bullies never stop until someone stands up and punches them in the nose. I don't think the guys in control of the USA right now will stop until someone punches them in the nose. They lied to the world about WMD and got away with it with no punishment. Now they feel they can get away with anything.

If it ever did happen. It would be a limited nuclear exchange where China probably blows up Okinawa, the USA contingents in japan and korea, and the 4 or 5 carrier battle groups off of china. The USA would counter with blowing up a few Chinese cities. Like I said. So what. Then they would both realize they were both serious. They would make a pact to divide the world up like in George Orwells book. EastAsia, EurAsia and the Americas.

If you are sitting there nervous. Why? Why do that to yourself? Nothing you can do can change it. I talked about those WMD lies for literally years as did lots of other people. Those criminals got away with everything. Instead of sitting around chewing your nails, why not feel happy? Just go do whatever makes you happy and don't think about politics. If there was a nuclear war, you would never know. You would be watching TV one minute and the next you would be ash. Why worry about something you won't even know is happening? Your brain would be crisp before you could think "Oh my god! I just got nuked!" ;)
 
Townsend said:
That is scary...there will be a lot of dead Chinese people, a lot. I am certain that if China launched a nuke at the US we would destroy their entire country in the blink of an eye. I think that is scary and also very sad....
LOL. I love the way the American psyche thinks that NOTHING will get through to them in a war.

Remember, this is NOT Iraq and you do not know what provisions have been made for war by the Chinese.

Nor are you looking far enough ahead to the reprocussions politically with fallout and the disposition of the world as far as nuclear fallout.

Nukes are not detonated on the ground if you don't know. They are detonated in the atmosphere above a target. Surely you know the prevailing winds blow towards South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan, Indonesia etc.

So far you are scared to death of Korea and they MAY have 6 nukes with a questionable delivery system. CHINA!!!! HELLOOOOOO!!!!

For all you know, with an unprotected west coast, you may already have nukes on your soil awaiting detonation. Can you say for sure you don't?

For gosh sakes, you can't even keep the Mexicans out with a steel fence and sensors.

You can't keep drugs out with unsophisticated South American Drug Cartels.

I suggest you bite the bullet and watch F-9/11 again by Michael Moore. Forget the politics. Just review the bit where he describes the ONE GUY you had patroling your west coast and how when he has a day off you were completely unprotected ... but you could make a call from the phone booth outside his office.

All the 'Star Wars' sophistication in the world is not going to amount to much when a bunch of static, planted nukes in all population centers of the states are merely detonated instead of being launched.
 
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Happeh said:
I am curious. Do you say there would be a lot of dead chinese people because that makes you feel better? You think the Chinese would not start a war if the consequences would be lots of dead Chinese people?
No, I say it because I would feel terrible for such a lose of human life....from what I have seen a typical person in China is a very peaceful person, I don't want to see such a great country and it's people destroyed.

I hate to break it to you but that would not stop them. The Chinese have 5 billion people. Someone could blow up 3 billion of them. So what? Plenty more where they came from.
I know, thats the really scary part of it....not to mention that I doubt we would stop at 3/5ths of the pop and then give up, we would go till the war was won, completely.

If there was a nuclear war, where someone thought they would be victor, I think the entire planet would be dead.
You don't get it do you, the US will win at all cost. The resolve in this country , in my opinion of course, has never been matched before in history.

It would take too many nukes to ensure destruction of the other side.
We have more than enough to completely destroy anyone and everyone.

The nuclear winter would get every left.
I don't think it would. Do you have any idea how many bombs the US and
Russia alone have detonated?

I think it is much more likely that there would be a limited nuclear exchange.
Don't be naive about this...there would be no hope of a limited exchange unless the Chinese gave up early on. I know for a fact that the US would not stop, no way in hell. And that is not something I am proud of.

Bullies never stop until someone stands up and punches them in the nose. I don't think the guys in control of the USA right now will stop until someone punches them in the nose.
please...save your diatribe about the US. This is not about who is right and who is wrong.

If it ever did happen. It would be a limited nuclear exchange where China probably blows up Okinawa, the USA contingents in japan and korea, and the 4 or 5 carrier battle groups off of china.
They would not be able to hit the carrier battle groups, but nice try...

The USA would counter with blowing up a few Chinese cities. Like I said. So what. Then they would both realize they were both serious. They would make a pact to divide the world up like in George Orwells book. EastAsia, EurAsia and the Americas.
:rofl: yeah, and about 100 20 to 50 megaton trident missiles (there goes 75 percent of the pop) coming from subs, who knows how many ICBMs and the list goes on. The stock pile of nuclear arms is enough to turn earth into a small star...



If you are sitting there nervous. Why? Why do that to yourself? Nothing you can do can change it. I talked about those WMD lies for literally years as did lots of other people. Those criminals got away with everything. Instead of sitting around chewing your nails, why not feel happy? Just go do whatever makes you happy and don't think about politics. If there was a nuclear war, you would never know. You would be watching TV one minute and the next you would be ash. Why worry about something you won't even know is happening? Your brain would be crisp before you could think "Oh my god! I just got nuked!" ;)
In my location, it is not likely that a missile would make it this far into the mainland US...I would prefer to not survive such a scenario, however.
 
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The Smoking Man said:
LOL. I love the way the American psyche thinks that NOTHING will get through to them in a war.

Remember, this is NOT Iraq and you do not know what provisions have been made for war by the Chinese.
You assume more than you should...I am not the politican in charge but I can about imagine what would happen should a nuke ever go off on US soil.
 
Townsend said:
I don't follow what you mean, could you explain it some more?
Yes, you became unnerved when you heard a Chinese General talked about a nuclear strike on the USA.

I was merely stating that an unballanced mentality like Kim Jong Il would have felt even more threatened when Bush mentioned his country by name as a part of the Axis of Evil and would have seen himself as a target ... part of a laundry list of countries that would be attacked ... and they were already attacking the #1 position on the list.

Really, If you were watching me bludgeon a man with a steel pipe and I took the time to point at you and said, "You're next." Wouldn't you start looking for your own steel pipe or something bigger?

Diplomacy is the ability to take action without provoking re-action from third parties or being able to settle things in other ways.

Sun Tsu even said, "To win without fighting is best."

It is also known that you keep friends close and your enemies closer. Well, so far Bush poked the French and Germans in the eye and then kicked Korea in the yarbles. He has also assured himself of no further support from the Italians and Spain.
 
Townsend said:
No, I say it because I would feel terrible for such a lose of human life....from what I have seen a typical person in China is a very peaceful person, I don't want to see such a great country and it's people destroyed.
I have not read the rest of this post yet but feel I must already apologize for an assumption I made ... that you were taking an agressive stance against the people of China.

What you have re-stated above is admirable and my feeling also.
 
Happeh said:
I hate to break it to you but that would not stop them. The Chinese have 5 billion people. Someone could blow up 3 billion of them. So what? Plenty more where they came from.
Just a bit of trivia ... the Chinese have 1.3 billion people and the whole earth has about 6 billion (India has about a billion too)
:biggrin:
 
Townsend said:
You assume more than you should...I am not the politican in charge but I can about imagine what would happen should a nuke ever go off on US soil.
I fear a similar thing would happen the world over should the US launch too.

This is the arms race all over again but a slightly different perspective.
 

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