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Schiavo Autopsy Shows Massive Brain Damage

  1. Jun 15, 2005 #1

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    The parents insisted an autopsy be performed on their daughter and the results show that the husband was right all along.

    Even with the results showing she was blind and in a permanent vegetative state with no chance to improve, her parents remain in denial of the truth.

    "An autopsy on Terri Schiavo, the severely brain damaged woman whose death sparked an intense debate over a person's right-to-die, showed that her brain was severely "atrophied," weighed less than half of what it should have, and that no treatment could have reversed the damage."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/15/national/15cnd-schiavo.html
     
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  3. Jun 15, 2005 #2

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    Not to be cynical but who cares anymore? The media had no right in the first place to milk this story. There are plenty of people starving in this world that need more attention.
     
  4. Jun 15, 2005 #3

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    It has to do with the "right to die" as you wish. The parents wanted media attention to try to block their son in law from taking their daughter off life support.
     
  5. Jun 15, 2005 #4
    He's saying there are bigger problems going on. I agree.
     
  6. Jun 15, 2005 #5

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    Of course there are bigger problems. This is still a problem, and one that worries me. I don't want to be stuck on life support against my wishes and I don't want my children to bear that burden.

    The parents and their attorney say they aren't dropping this and the President says he hasn't changed his mind on the case.
     
  7. Jun 15, 2005 #6
    I hope he shows a degree of tact, and dosen't put the autopsy photos into public hands.
     
  8. Jun 15, 2005 #7

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    How was the husband right?

    and could they determine if she felt any pain?
     
  9. Jun 15, 2005 #8

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    Just from a practical standpoint, couldn't the doctors have done a some type of brain scan to determine the weight of the brain while she was living? If the doctors could of been able to say that her brain was the size of peanut wouldn't that have saved a lot of time and money?
     
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  10. Jun 15, 2005 #9

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    He said that she was in a persistant vegetative state, most of her brain was gone, so she would not have felt pain.
     
  11. Jun 15, 2005 #10

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    They did, and experts testified that her brain had shriveled up. That's the problem, the religious/political faction refused to accept what was undeniable in the brain scans.

    I want the right to not be kept alive by artificial means. This case cost the public a fortune in medical care.
     
  12. Jun 15, 2005 #11
    If the parents wanted to keep her alive, they should have. You can not revive someone, and this serious brain damage shows that Terry Schiavo probably would not care if she was or was not kept alive.

    She did not seem blind to me. The clips on the news kept showing her looking at things people would dangle over her head.

    I agree with dduardo's first statement though.

    Edit: How is food "artifical means", Evo? Is feeding a baby artifically keeping it alive?
     
  13. Jun 15, 2005 #12
    I really don't see why this is even controversial. Keeping someone alive against their will? What the hell is the argument for this?

    edit: critical mistake
     
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  14. Jun 15, 2005 #13

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    "This case cost the public a fortune in medical care."

    I'm sure the hospital wasn't complaining.

    "She did not seem blind to me."

    Again, simply shining a light in her eyes would have been sufficient to determine if she was blind or not.

    I agree with Evo that there was too much religious/polital influence. Maybe we need a law specifically defining what a vegetative state is and not allow life support after a certain threshold
     
  15. Jun 15, 2005 #14

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    The autopsy revealed that she would not have been able to eat if she was fed, as the parent's claimed. She was "fed" through a tube, that's artificial.
     
  16. Jun 15, 2005 #15

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    The autopsy showed conclusively that the portion of the brain responsible for sight was atrophied so badly that there was no way she could see.

    "Seemed to me..." is a replacement for countless number of doctors telling them that it's not true and that things will not improve?
     
  17. Jun 15, 2005 #16

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    This just reinforces my original opinion that her brain-death was hereditary. As for Bush... :rolleyes:
     
  18. Jun 15, 2005 #17
    The point is -- now that the autopsy has proven beyond doubt that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state, why does this remain controversial even in this thread? The question remains that people still aren't accepting the facts, and are still arguing against proven findings. Until the religious/political factions who support government intervention stop this nonsense, I agree with Evo it is something to be worried about. :bugeye:
     
  19. Jun 15, 2005 #18

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    G'dangit*%!frickin'*@#! frackin' -- Let's just round up these people who are in deep denial, clinging to their delusional beliefs, and put them on feeding tubes - yeh! :grumpy: :eek:
     
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  20. Jun 15, 2005 #19
    It's interesting to note that in this case the government didn't try to do something about it. But they feel the need to stick their noses into everything else.

    I'm thinking of getting a tattoo on my upper left chest: D.N.R. But I bet that won't stop some wannabe hero putting their hands on me to try and save my life... I swear; if I die (or am anywhere near death) and someone brings me back - they're next!
     
  21. Jun 15, 2005 #20

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    Here's something you can complete and keep with your important papers as well:

    The Living Will

    I, _________________________ (fill in blank), being of sound mind and body, do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. Under no circumstances should my fate be put in the hands of peckerwood ethically challenged politicians who couldn't pass ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it.

    If a reasonable amount of time passes and I fail to sit up and ask for a __________________ ( cold beer, Margarita, Bloody Mary, Martini, Rum & Coke, shot of Wild Turkey, or whatever) it should be presumed that I won't ever get better. When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my spouse, children and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes, and call it a day.

    Under no circumstances shall the hypocritical members of the Legislature (State or Federal) enact a special law to keep me on life-support machinery. It is my wish that these boneheads mind their own damn business, and pay attention instead to the health, education and future of the millions of Americans who aren't in a permanent coma. Under no circumstances shall any politicians butt into this case. I don't care how many fundamentalist votes they're trying to scrounge for their run for the presidency, it is my wish that they play politics with someone else's life and leave me alone to die in peace.

    I couldn't care less if a hundred religious zealots send e-mails to legislators in which they pretend to care about me. I don't know them, and I certainly haven't authorized them to preach and crusade on my behalf. They should mind their own damn business.

    If any of my family goes against my wishes and turns my case into a political cause, I hereby promise to come back from the grave and make his or her existence a living hell.

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