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You are correct that there is no way you could have a hybrid tachyon/human creature; in fact, if you want to keep relativity more-or-less intact, I don't think tachyons and normal matter could really interact significantly (ie. transmit information between them) at all (let alone across a brane! Remember, we have them in different universes as per your current design). I was thinking that the Tachyon-entities' control of their avatars would almost have to be metaphysical in order to avoid breaking relativity...

What the hell!?! This is total gibberish, if they ever come up with a new star trek series you should write for it ;) What exactly might the Green's Function be for inter-brane or inter-universal tachyon propagation?
 
  • #27
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Also Chepron when you asked about my one rule I was referring to the breaking only One Physics Law. You know the... only ask me to buy One Law being broken. I like the freebie On the Multi-Universe as being believable. Now I just need to combine the ability to
1. Transverse these Muti-Universes
2. The safety buffer Zone for my Instability in the nuclear physics of this Membrane

I would advise you to read the science behind these things before speculating on them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Tegmark.27s_classification

When writing a story, especially science fiction, you should build the world before running off with a plot. Otherwise your story just becomes one ad hoc solution after another to patch up the mistakes in your flawed premise; e.g.

The laws are different in this other universe
How does the character survive?
Er...she can create a bubble of laws around her
How does she do this?
Er...she can change laws with her mind
How does this work?
Er...pass
Why didn't she instantly die?
Er...pass
If she can change the laws then what's the problem, she can wish her mother back
Er...the tachyon aliens stop her
How can a tachyon alien exist?
Er...they see all of time and space and use avatars
How are you going to write a story with characters that can see the future perfectly?
Er...

etc etc etc.

I'm not knocking you but I've seen this dozens of times before. Authors come asking for advice and when they hear that what they have said makes no sense they make up one piece of technobabble after the other until what you are left with is a star trek sized mountain of nonsense just to justify a plot that would work without the science fiction.

I truly Love the Idea of a kind of Avatar, for what I have now decided, are a Tachyon-based Life-forms.

(maverick: I know that you do not believe that Tachyons exist but as you know It wasn't something I created out of nothing; many scientific minds are debating the existence of tachyons;as well as many other particles. For now I will assume that Tacyons exist, as a device for my plot.)

I think you are really misunderstanding the scientific consensus. Tachyons are not debated as if they may exist, they are pure speculation. If you are going to include them in your story how will you get around causality violations?

Am I right in thinking My beings would be capable of experiencing Past- Present and Future at the same moment. At least that is what I thought I understood from the article On wikipedia.

Er...why would you think this?

Assuming I am correct, It would be just as irritating for these creatures to think of one single moment in time as I have of considering experiencing all of Past,Present, and Future as one moment.

I was thinking: How frustrating it might be to understand our need to order our world in some kind of sequential way. This has my mind racing in both plot and character possibilities. What a gorgeous tension device for my Antagonist. Thanks!

I don't think this is correct at all but even so this is going to be impossible for you to write. How exactly do you imagine a being that can violate causality just by perceiving to work? It wont be "irritating" for them to think because they wont "think" at all! How can you think when everything that has ever and will ever happen to you (as well as everything that you have ever and will ever do) occurs at the same time? You can't have any thoughts because that implies something occurring that hasn't happened and then does happen. This doesn't make any sense if you are proposing beings for which everything has happened.

My thoughts now are centered in the area of what would the technology need to be in order to create a Avatar that could exist in our world? How could they control this Avatar. Unfortunately All I can think of is the Movie I saw that is titled "Avatar". Some human cloned DNA Splicing with their Own.

[Of course, I am sure, that some may argue that that would be impossible;our DNA spliced with Tachyon Particles, and I would fully agree. So, what if the avatar is fully human but it is controlled by these beings. The Good beings would choose a volunteer clone of another while the bad choose to force existing humans to do their bidding.

Word of advice; Avatar was one of the worse science fiction movies for science EVER. You would no more be able to splice your DNA with an alien than you would with a jelly fish. And let's not even go down the route of why the blue aliens were just humans with a lick of paint...

Interesting.... Another Idea..... I have seen in some medical magazines that idea of implants.
What if a device could be created to in essence High-jack a humans body and the controller takes over.

Hmmm... More to think out and reason out. Of course that question would have to be queried on a neurology forum.(IE. Is it even a possibility given the current trends on research)

There is nothing on the ability to control thoughts and bodies I assure you and you have far too many plot holes in your foundational premises to start worldbuilding on top of.

Here's a thought, then - let's make the universe-manipulator and the inter-universe transport two facets of the same technology. Say you have something that opens a traversable wormhole between two universes. Now, let's borrow from Asimov's book and mix the universes' laws: your wormhole, while open, has a "lensing effect" which causes matter near the ends of the wormhole to be affected by laws of both universes, simultaneously. "Near" could be anything from a couple kilometers to a couple lightyears, whatever you need. Maybe you could set up several wormholes with overlapping areas of effect. This could compound the effect until you've constructed a "safe zone" in the other universe in which conventional matter can exist without losing cohesion.
Perhaps you could overlap wormhole-end-areas from multiple different universes in order to customize the laws you want in a volume of space, kind of like vector addition and scaling

How exactly would a safe zone be created considering that long before a change in the universe's constants became apparent you would be dead? In addition how exactly are you going to explain away the God like powers of the protagonist?

In essence what you are talking about is much like a large river Like the Mississippi dumping it self into the gulf leaves a trail of brackish water wherever it goes, this B rakish water would become more saline the further into the ocean it goes until it finally become saline water and the fresh water quality is gone.

Analogies are very bad things to use when you understand a topic so poorly. They give the illusion of understanding when none exists. Stay on the science if you want to properly comprehend what you are talking about.

Back to the Avatar Idea.... could the device be as simple as a refraction of light. seeing as these being exist in a world that is based on the speed of light would it be highly likely that their technology would be highly developed and centered around Light physics.

My thinking is... what if they have learned to bend light in such a way that they can create a almost solid form, then my antagonist could become whatever they choose. One time he could choose to appear as a little girl; another a huge man or even another point in time as a beast with scales and sharp fangs.

This makes no sense. Why would their technology be developed around "light physics" any more than our own? Why do you assume that bending light in such a way is possible? Light paths bend due to gravity, that doesn't make them solid. You are just trying to propose a cliché tachyonic forcefield (star trek much?).

I know far fetched but I am brain-storming here if you have better more realistic ideas let me know.

I know it must sound like I'm having a go at you but honestly drop all the stuff you don't understand if you want to make this story make sense. You really are wandering into "the technobabble is techbabbling and that's reversed the polarity of the theta field!"

OK, I concede to the life is in every Universe. Now that I have seen the chart at the bottom of article you sent and read Maverick's post I agree that life in the Multi-Universe would be more of a fluke than the rule. So I am creating only two Universes where life exists. Besides, I only truly need life in my Marco Universe and the Micro Universe(Our Own) for my plot to advance.

What do you mean by macro and micro? There is only one universe even in multiverse theory.

For Instance: Maverick's explanation that in the absence of all any molecular cohesion... If I understand you right Maverick, one would have a blank screen. This has lead me to the idea that if you existed even for a short moment within this brane you would experience a sense of nothingness just before your life would disintegrate into quarks.(whatever exists that is smaller than a molecule). OK, so what I would do with this information is to use it to heighten the tension my main character feels when she looks just beyond the safety of the bubble created as a "Safe Zone".

How on Earth will she do this considering that she will be killed instantly?

What she would experience, as she looks into the boundary of the Brane, is that she would see the wall of Darkness, she would feel an eiry silence in all her senses. No sense would be active in the direction of that blank wall.

Where does the air come from? She'll be dead pretty quick (assuming you can get around the fact that she will be dead instantly anyway). And how exactly is she meant to control the universe with her mind?
 
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  • #28
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I like what you said here. Believe me I am taking it to heart. But you see I have to fully understand what I am writing about before I can write it. I use truth as a spring board for all my writing figuring If I don't believe it neither will anybody else. This(this thread) is purely research on my part. I will not talk science in the book. What will do is make it clear exactly what is really going on in my own mind and relay this through the point of view of my Character.

For Instance: Maverick's explanation that in the absence of all any molecular cohesion... If I understand you right Maverick, one would have a blank screen. This has lead me to the idea that if you existed even for a short moment within this brane you would experience a sense of nothingness just before your life would disintegrate into quarks.(whatever exists that is smaller than a molecule). OK, so what I would do with this information is to use it to heighten the tension my main character feels when she looks just beyond the safety of the bubble created as a "Safe Zone".

What she would experience, as she looks into the boundary of the Brane, is that she would see the wall of Darkness, she would feel an eiry silence in all her senses. No sense would be active in the direction of that blank wall.
I suspect that if my brain could process this I would be abhorrent to enter such a place. Such a place would equate to lifelessness. I would presume that a strong instinct of survival would come up.
So what does a writer do with such a prospect.... she will decide to have a bit of fun with it. She will have the Main Character struggle tremendously with the Instinct to run as far away as possible from this place vs. the great Love she feels for this woman(her mother) and the fact that she and her mother couldn't possibly live long in such a place. What will my character do?
This is a good example of where you fall pretty much completely outside of any sort of real science. Its really up to you to make it up as you go along here. It just needs to make some sort of intuitive sense and be consistent. You can look outside science too.

For example an old friend of mine had a near death experience. While he was 'dead' he said that he had no perception of 'up' or 'down' or any sort of boundaries. He said it took a moment to realize but he was supposedly "seeing" in all directions at once. He also described the seemingly infinite expanse of the 'place' he was in as not being "black" or "white" but just somehow indescribably "blank". This would perhaps be a fairly logical explanation of what it would be like to be a disembodied mind in a "blank" universe. He personally believes that he was actually dead and "inbetween worlds". If others have had similar experiences they may be inclined to consider such an explanation 'realistic'.
 
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How exactly would a safe zone be created considering that long before a change in the universe's constants became apparent you would be dead? In addition how exactly are you going to explain away the God like powers of the protagonist?

The point of the wormhole technology is to take away the need for any godlike powers. We replace them with a new plot device, a fictional technology which is subject to various constraints in an attempt to make it more realistic (while still remaining a useful plot device). If you wanted a safe zone, then you would have to postulate that you could open all the necessary wormholes in the appropriate places before taking a single step into the new universe.
What I'm trying to do is set constraints based on what the fiction needs to accomplish, and then optimize for realism within the bounds of the constraints. The less outlandish the constraints, the more realistic the solution can be. I'm not claiming in any way that the wormhole technology is any more physically possible than godlike powers, but I would say that it is more realistic, which is why I recommended it in the first place.

On the other hand, your assessment of SFwriter's speculations is pretty justified, and IMO lots of your advice to him is good.

@SFwriter, I'd also recommend you hang out on the Special/General relativity boards, and maybe some of the other ones. Reading the FAQ there and browsing the threads is a good way to learn about popular misconceptions people have, nonintuitive truths about how the world actually works, and you may begin to see slots where realistic fiction could be inserted without causing contradictions everywhere. In the meantime, decide what level of realism you want and have fun.
 
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The point of the wormhole technology is to take away the need for any godlike powers. We replace them with a new plot device, a fictional technology which is subject to various constraints in an attempt to make it more realistic (while still remaining a useful plot device). If you wanted a safe zone, then you would have to postulate that you could open all the necessary wormholes in the appropriate places before taking a single step into the new universe.

I see. Awkwardly the OP is then in the situation of trying to explain how the protagonist generates these universe spanning wormholes. Whilst they are entirely speculative there has been published work on the subject that show some of the characteristics wormholes might have if they exist, the OP might want to look those up.
 
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Yes. If your science fiction includes some fictional physics, you do at some point have to make stuff up. But I'm in complete agreement with you about the research; that's the way to figure out how make the made up stuff more believable.
 
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  • #32
@ Cephron
Let me point out I am a girl not a guy *Grin* sorry about the confusion on that point.
@Ryan
It is not my protagonist that has control of this "Wormhole" Technology it is my Antagonist
The Mega (or you could say Parent) Universe is the bigger Universe(Alternate Reality)
The Micro (Fetus) is our own Universe (Alternate Reality)
The M Brane(Placental Sack) is all that is separating our Universe from ours.
The Being from that Older more advanced Universe has advanced technology as they were actually in existence before we were from our POV.

Point two this is my research.... Nothing is written in stone here.This is just bouncing around an idea and allowing you all to take the shots and shoot it down so that i can make it more believable! Instead of just saying it's gibberish could you explain why it won't work. That would really be more helpful.

Understand that there is so much information and so many people talking about what is possible and quite a few haven't even been in a physics class * raises hands to denote I am one of those people*

This presents a problem, since I know nothing about what is credible according to the laws of Physics,how can I spot gibberish from the real science..... Go talk to some scientists, and trust that they know real science from fake. So here I am!

When comes to my scenario about the Mississippi I was only trying to explain what I thought I understood to Cephron and give him the opportunity to correct me if I had it wrong.



I am asking for some patience and understanding here. I am in a brand new world of thought than I am used to. I am trying to expand my ability to enter a more scientific less fantasy_soft SCi-FI genre and into a more realistic book.
 
  • #33
Just want to throw out some basic special relativity here: Tachyons WOULD NOT allow for travel (or perception) back in time. Draw a space-time diagram with a light-cone (light is a 45 degree angle). Draw an event A at your origin, draw an event B anywhere later along the time axis, draw a light-cone for B. Now Tachyons, by definitions, have speeds anywhere from faster than the speed of light (c) to infinitely fast. On your diagram this corresponds to a line which makes an angle with the x-axis anywhere from less than 45 degrees to 0 degrees. From this, please, tell me how you connect event B to A. You can't. Tachyons would violate causality (since they could "beat" the electromagnetic force in a "race") but they certainly wouldn't allow motion backwards in time, they'd also have a velocity with an imaginary component which is pretty WTF.
 
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@ Cephron
Let me point out I am a girl not a guy *Grin* sorry about the confusion on that point.
@Ryan
It is not my protagonist that has control of this "Wormhole" Technology it is my Antagonist
The Mega (or you could say Parent) Universe is the bigger Universe(Alternate Reality)
The Micro (Fetus) is our own Universe (Alternate Reality)
The M Brane(Placental Sack) is all that is separating our Universe from ours.
The Being from that Older more advanced Universe has advanced technology as they were actually in existence before we were from our POV.

Point two this is my research.... Nothing is written in stone here.This is just bouncing around an idea and allowing you all to take the shots and shoot it down so that i can make it more believable! Instead of just saying it's gibberish could you explain why it won't work. That would really be more helpful.

Understand that there is so much information and so many people talking about what is possible and quite a few haven't even been in a physics class * raises hands to denote I am one of those people*

This presents a problem, since I know nothing about what is credible according to the laws of Physics,how can I spot gibberish from the real science..... Go talk to some scientists, and trust that they know real science from fake. So here I am!

When comes to my scenario about the Mississippi I was only trying to explain what I thought I understood to Cephron and give him the opportunity to correct me if I had it wrong.



I am asking for some patience and understanding here. I am in a brand new world of thought than I am used to. I am trying to expand my ability to enter a more scientific less fantasy_soft SCi-FI genre and into a more realistic book.

Yes, but you're missing our point. Our point is absolutely NOT that your story is bad or that you should stop writing. Our point is that you will NEVER be able to make what you propose "more" realistic (it has nothing to do with reality to begin with). Our solution to you is write it anyway, its science will be garbage, but it may be a great story and that's all that really matters. And has been pointed out, really what you're suggesting is basically a spin on the "stuck in a dream world/reality" a la Dreamscape, Nightmare on Elm Street, etc. But there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. But you can never expect a physicists seal of "accurate science" approval, so don't bother with it. Strip the extraneous "physics" "concepts" and break it down to the raw story.
 
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I don't know if any of you read the blog www.cosmicvariance.com but the main guy there, Sean Carroll, had a post where he talked about being one of the "science advisors" on the new Thor movie. He has a really good post about how, when he came in, they just wanted a bunch of technojargon to patch up the "magic" of the "science" in the plot. However, he strongly pushed for a different approach, attempting to make the physics of the Marvel universe INTERNALLY consistent. In other words, the rules of that universe aren't the same as ours, they're actually this, but given that, this and this are possible. And I think that's the true ticket to a soft sci-fi narrative. Don't worry about matching things up with reality. We see this all the time in movies and sci-fi, each movie lays out its own personal "rules" of time-travel or vampires or whatever and then as long as the rest of the movie conforms to these rules the audience is happy.
 
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Just want to throw out some basic special relativity here: Tachyons WOULD NOT allow for travel (or perception) back in time. Draw a space-time diagram with a light-cone (light is a 45 degree angle). Draw an event A at your origin, draw an event B anywhere later along the time axis, draw a light-cone for B. Now Tachyons, by definitions, have speeds anywhere from faster than the speed of light (c) to infinitely fast. On your diagram this corresponds to a line which makes an angle with the x-axis anywhere from less than 45 degrees to 0 degrees. From this, please, tell me how you connect event B to A. You can't. Tachyons would violate causality (since they could "beat" the electromagnetic force in a "race") but they certainly wouldn't allow motion backwards in time, they'd also have a velocity with an imaginary component which is pretty WTF.

Oh Maverick thanks now this is truly helpful and I see what you are saying.In order to be able to make this make any sense scientifically within this model no one could go backwards in time to a point in which we are because it would be there past and there is no past for them.

Did I get it right this time?

Ouch Big problem!
 
  • #37
Yes, but you're missing our point. Our point is absolutely NOT that your story is bad or that you should stop writing. Our point is that you will NEVER be able to make what you propose "more" realistic (it has nothing to do with reality to begin with). Our solution to you is write it anyway, its science will be garbage, but it may be a great story and that's all that really matters. And has been pointed out, really what you're suggesting is basically a spin on the "stuck in a dream world/reality" a la Dreamscape, Nightmare on Elm Street, etc. But there's NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. But you can never expect a physicists seal of "accurate science" approval, so don't bother with it. Strip the extraneous "physics" "concepts" and break it down to the raw story.

I think I am getting the point now. I disagree about it being a dream thing. She would not be dreaming it. If she were to die in this place it would be very real!I am not a fan of Nightmare in Elm Street so I do not know what you mean there. Perhaps I should rent it to understand what you mean.Till now I have had no reason to watch such a slasher type movie. Isn't that the one about a guy with a hockey mask killing people? Confused???!!!

I guess I am smart enough to know not to expect a seal of Authenticity of Accurate Science. The only way I could do that is to write about this world and this moment in time. For instance a few years back everyone said that Hawkins was crazy to talk about the possibility of a black Hole But now that the Hubble telescope has found them no one questions if it were true.

In the same vein, if I was a author of Sci- fiction in the 9th century and wrote about the world being round I am sure no one would have been able to give seal of "accurate science" award either. So please do not imagine I am asking for this seal. What I am asking if this were true how would this one change effect the whole world I am building.

IE. if you were losing a X amount of particles, that are lost in one hour into aB universe what would happen?
If someone could travel at the stepped of light could they look backwards in time?
If you did look at a M-Brane separating our reality with another what would it look like?

I now know, If I drew your geometry right, that one could not travel backwards in time with current Physics theory and why( because they are outside our time line and can only deal with future events). This is very helpful. More helpful than telling me I am speaking gibberish but not why.

Finally I never intended on telling my reader anything we discuss here as a fact. I intended to have her describe her experience to another group of scientists using a scientific reasoning. And also,To try to make sense in her own mind what she experienced using some form of science theory that made sense to herself.

Problem is if I can not explain my ideas to another scientist ,concerning what she has experienced through scientific theory, how can she a scientist explain it to another scientist? This the continuity I am trying to achieve. I can not have her accept a supernatural explanation as the is incredulous.... after all she is supposed to be a scientist.
She must figure this out scientifically because she knows what she experiences doesn't line up with over any current theory, but she is trying to find some (however far reaching) explanation to explain an experience that most would label as unscientific. Especially since she is trying to explain it to a group of 5 scientist.

So I placed myself in her shoes and tried to ask of you some of what I considered would be some her thoughts of theories and posed those questions to you fine men.
So this in a nutshell is the scene and what I am trying to work out. How does a scientist who does not believe in the supernatural, but nevertheless, experiences something that could be considered supernatural by others, explain to other scientists what she experienced without actually admitting it was supernatural. For that matter how does she even work out what happened in her own mind? This is all I am attempting to figure out. What theories does she use to explain what has happened.What I am realizing is that she could never explain what she experienced and possibly would not even attempt to try to knowing that know one would ever be able to understand her experience.

Perhaps her colleagues would never be able to believe what she says she experiences, because, it flys in the face of all current theory.It wouldn't make here experience any less real for her. Just that none of her friends believe it really happened.
 
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I don't know if any of you read the blog www.cosmicvariance.com but the main guy there, Sean Carroll, had a post where he talked about being one of the "science advisors" on the new Thor movie. He has a really good post about how, when he came in, they just wanted a bunch of technojargon to patch up the "magic" of the "science" in the plot. However, he strongly pushed for a different approach, attempting to make the physics of the Marvel universe INTERNALLY consistent. In other words, the rules of that universe aren't the same as ours, they're actually this, but given that, this and this are possible. And I think that's the true ticket to a soft sci-fi narrative. Don't worry about matching things up with reality. We see this all the time in movies and sci-fi, each movie lays out its own personal "rules" of time-travel or vampires or whatever and then as long as the rest of the movie conforms to these rules the audience is happy.

This is frustrating Maverick. You have just restated what I am attempting to do here.

You said
***********In other words, the rules of that universe aren't the same as ours, they're actually this, but given that, this and this are possible. And I think that's the true ticket to a soft sci-fi narrative. ******************

This is it.... this is what I want to DO!!!!!!!!! I do not need a seal of this is how this world works in this world! GRRRR! I am not sure how may more ways I can restate this in order to get you to understand!

OK rant is over... but really this is what I mean to get answers for. Not the this is how this works but how would that world work!
 
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This is frustrating Maverick. You have just restated what I am attempting to do here.

You said
***********In other words, the rules of that universe aren't the same as ours, they're actually this, but given that, this and this are possible. And I think that's the true ticket to a soft sci-fi narrative. ******************

This is it.... this is what I want to DO!!!!!!!!! I do not need a seal of this is how this world works in this world! GRRRR! I am not sure how may more ways I can restate this in order to get you to understand!

OK rant is over... but really this is what I mean to get answers for. Not the this is how this works but how would that world work!

It's really not come across that you've tried to do this. Throughout the thread you've proposed a series of ideas one after the other, when people have suggested something you've taken that grain of advise and run off to propose whole new (and scientifically nonsense) ideas before asking the validity of those. If you want to write soft-SF just go for it. Make sure it's internally consistent and the implications for society are well thought out. For instance; a friend has just lent me Philip K Dick's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Stigmata_of_Palmer_Eldritch" [Broken], it's absolutely full of nonsense science (psychics, evolution under control of a gland that can be stimulated, real time radio communication across light hours, colonists on planets that haven't been terraformed etc) but it's a good book because the "science" is uses is well thought out in terms of the society written.
 
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  • #40
I really found this thread frustrating because I never indicated I was doing anything but trying to get a more realistic take on what that world would be like. I was given preposterous Ideas that I had never considered writing about... such as weird looking skies and one eyed aliens and the like,which I had never even considered as a possible Plot in a book.

Such ideas are better left with H.P. Lovecraft and the like. It amazes me how folks could be so bigoted and narrow-minded and still be considered the cream of the crop mentally. And to think I once looked up to physics Majors as the big thinkers of our day. All my time with you here has shown me is that in truth none of you know anything about anything and all you have left to do is argue about your little pet theories.

Honestly you are worse that a bunch of old ladies at a bingo table when it comes to all the in fighting you do! Do you have nothing better to do with all that brain power than to gang up on someone who has done nothing but admit that she knows nothing really on the subject and was honestly seeking answers to her questions.

I honestly no longer care what you all think anymore. I simply must write this last letter to answer charges laid against me however. What do you all think I have been doing? I have been checking with you all about said validity! AS I said BEFORE NOTHING WAS BEING WRITTEN!!!!!! I was checking my ideas before I wrote to find out "IF" they had Validity!
But no you all were more interested in scoring points off my intelligence than in actually helping me to understand.

I hope it was worth it seeing I only have a High School education. Does it make you feel superior to stand next to a baby in the world of Physics and scream about how much more you know about physics than I. I was however "smart" to know I needed to get help from experts. Sadly I hadn't counted on the fact that I was on a thread with emotional infants when compared to myself.

Really boys, you really should be ashamed of yourselves. Grow up and perhaps we can talk again in say 20 years when you have matured a bit. Perhaps I can talk with you about sociability and you can finally answer some of my honest questions about physics. But I doubt that many of you would have grown out of your emotional arrest by that time!

Tisk Tisk how sad!
 
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...It amazes me how folks could be so bigoted and narrow-minded and still be considered the cream of the crop mentally. And to think I once looked up to physics Majors as the big thinkers of our day...

...Honestly you are worse that a bunch of old ladies at a bingo table when it comes to all the in fighting you do! Do you have nothing better to do with all that brain power than to gang up on someone who has done nothing...

...I hope it was worth it seeing I only have a High School education. Does it make you feel superior to stand next to a baby in the world of Physics and scream about how much more you know about physics than I....

...Really boys, you really should be ashamed of yourselves. Grow up and perhaps we can talk again in say 20 years when you have matured a bit...

A+ trolling
 
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"...and the boy stuck his finger in the hole of the spaceship, thus saving all 58,372 passengers."
 
  • #43
But no you all were more interested in scoring points off my intelligence than in actually helping me to understand.

I am sorry you felt this way. I, and at least some of the other members, were trying to help you understand. Some posters came up with their own ideas because that is about all there was to do since most of your questions can not be answered by real science. I know it is frustrating when you have an idea you love and you bounce it off someone else only to have them suggest that you should write some other completely different thing.

Again, sorry.
Good luck with your writing.
 
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Ok, I am no physics major…. I am a writer, but I truly need to get some Physics information. I am sure that should I get this work in progress published, some physics major will be able to blow huge holes in my idea, as it stands today. So I would like to throw out some suppositions here and let those who know what they are talking about discuss my idea here. This will help my work in progress to be more realistic for my sci-fi audience.
So here goes….
1) My Protagonist’s (female) mother was kidnapped by my Antagonist and hidden in another Dimension.
2) My Protagonist follows my Antagonist and My Protagonist’s Mother into that Dimension.
3) My Antagonist has the ability,when in this dimension, to manipulate Strong Force, Weak force, and Electromagnetic Force to cause them to be what he wants. I see him considering himself a kind of cosmic computer simulation programmer in this Dimension.
4) I see this Dimension as having more instability in these forces than our own.
5) When my Antagonist or someone of his race it not existing in this dimension long-term cohesion is not possible.
I know this supposition is tenuous at best. But what Can I say, I am a sci-fi writer. What I am asking is the following questions.
Say such a dimension actually exists….
1) What would it be like to exist here even for a billionth of second without cohesion? What I mean is if My Antagonist simply held her together but not the rest of the proto- matter around her?
2) How might to human brain try to process what it was experiencing in this dimension?
3) What universal Laws would have to exist in order for this dimension to exist?
4) What would this proto-matter look; act; and be like? What it be a corrosive, or alkaline substance? Would it be Liquid, semi- solid, or gas? Would it be none of the above?
5) Since my Antagonist doesn’t actually come from this dimension but another dimension that allows him to move very quickly (say the speed of light) how would this supposed Proto-matter react to his presence.
6) What other things would you all be able to suppose about my hypothetical dimension?

1) Extra dimensions have been hypothesized before as reasoning for the disparity in the strengths of gravity and other forces. At the planck distance general relativity isn't effective at evaluating gravity, but delving into string theory and quantum mechanics could quite possibly be a bit to sci fi for your readers, but it's an options. You have the other options, although slightly cliched- for example wormholes, singularities, whatever. I'd go for something fresh and apply some poetic licence.

2) This is more of a philosophical question. Well, what's this dimension like? Do we still have light, sound, matter, energy? You need to describe it first. However I think something that applies is Plato's allegory of the cave, where puppeteers cast shadows which restrained prisoners watch. After a long time of watching the shadows and accepting them as reality and truth, if they were to be released (Plato hypothesized a philosopher would be able to escape), they would not accept the real world, even though it's obvious. They still think of the world as being made up of shadows, light and dark, even though they can now see the sunlight, and the trickery of the puppeteers. The truth is blindingly obvious, but they cannot accept it, and some would even wish to return to watching she shadows, which they consider to be the truth and the real world, even when they have learnt of the real truth. The idea of Plato's cave was played on in the Matrix, for a common perspective. When Neo is awoken from the matrix (turns around, looking at what casts the shadows, rather than at the shadows), he cannot accept it. The truth is obvious- but he is not willing to accept it to begin with. If this dimension is observably different, you would probably have a reaction similar to the subjects of Plato's cave- they would be unwilling to accept it, and unbelieving of it, even if it is obviously the truth.

3) I wouldn't invent additional forces, especially ones that have absolutely no grounding in reality or feasibility in any model of physics or the universe. You do have poetic licence on your side here, but do exercise some modesty. You could probably change no laws and be fine- after all, we cannot disprove an infinite number of alternate universes exists.

5) Tieing in with #3, you could toy with some laws. We view c as a universal speed limit- perhaps in this dimension the universal speed limit is far lower, etc. Don't be afraid to change things- afterall, a science fiction novel based on nothing but present day fact could be rather dull. Personally, I'd rather see manipulations of existing physics, rather than new, completely groundless happenings.

6) I have no idea. It's your blank canvas to create. You have a lot you can play with. For example the thought experiment Schrodinger's Cat postulates that there are branch points, alternate universes, identical but unreachable that peel off every time and instance happens in a certain way. For example- think of it like this. You fall down the stairs, and at the instant before you fall another universe peels off, one in which you don't fall. And another universe for every single thing- one for hitting the 8th stair with your right arm, one for not hitting it there. Depending on your interpretation of it, a lot of universes could peel off. This is of course a thought experiment, and we could not view or interact with any universes that occur from it.

But you could change things around- maybe a universe is created every time a critical choice, or event occurs. Life or death, whatever. Now of course the normal population is completely unaware of this, but the protagonist can transcend into the other universes somehow. Hell, he could go to a universe where Adam never ate the apple if he wanted. Of course- this is different to how you envisage your story, but it's simply an example of how you can apply things.

One big thing I'll warn you of, that I'll assume you're aware of as a writer, is that this story, with the dimensions and protagonists abilities seems, to me at least, to be incredibly vulnerable to ending with a deux ex machina.
 
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