Self-learners tend to be INTPs

1. Nov 6, 2009

vectorcube

Part A:
Some people have this great love to learn everything. I know a math MA that studies relativity books for fun. A philosophy major that wants to study math so that he can learn about Godel  s theorm. I know a girl that loves to cook, and she read every cock book, and try every recipe. I remember reading about James C. Maxwell study a whole bunch of mathematics in college from library books by himself. I also read in the biography that Einstein, and Newton were largely self-thought themselves their subject. Newton largely self-taught himself greek geometry in order to understand Descartes, and Kelper. Einstein self-taught himself classical electrodynamic theory because it was not taught in the university. They cannot be majority of the population.

Part B:
I try to look for profiles and classification of different personality types. What i found is that "myer briggs personality types" is most commonly used in personality tests by psychologists, and in carreer accessment tests. I am at all saying people can be classified. I am saying many people use it, so there might be some merits to the system.
You can find information here: http://typelogic.com/index.html

Part C:
Of the different profiles in the above link. I try to find the type that most fit lifetime learners, and this type is INTP.Of the reasons that make me think self-learners tend to be INTP are the following descriptions of INTP:

"Report 3 to 9 hours a week of non-required serious reading"( http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...non+required+reading&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

"The INTP is a relentless learner in areas that hold his or her interest. They often seem 'lost in thought,' and this characteristic appears very early. INTPs enjoy the life of the mind and the learning process, regardless of whether that process takes place in a formal sense. They are often characterized as life-long learners." ( http://community.livejournal.com/jmbt_intp/141558.html)

Here is my argument:

1) The observation that there are many self-learners ( part A).

2) People can be categories by myer briggs personality types, therefore, INTP is a valid category ( part B).

3) MB intp descriptions tend to fit the profile of self-learners. (past C).

4) Self-learning tend to be most common in one of the M.B type, INTP( 1&3).

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2. Nov 6, 2009

Staff: Mentor

Are you asking if people disagree with the Meyers-Briggs assessment? I have actually been through the real assessment, twice. My former employer made it mandatory for management employees. I scored differently each time. Basically, the mood you are in can change how you answer the questions. But it's not a bad assessment. My company did it mainly as part of a series of "fun" things they did for us. I think DISC is just as accurate, which I've also been through. I also scored differently each time I took it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DISC_assessment

3. Nov 6, 2009

lisab

Staff Emeritus
I've had the same experience with the Meyers-Briggs test, but I don't think I've never had a "real" one. I, too, took it at a former workplace...wish I could remember if an actual psychologist gave it, but it was 20 years ago (:surprised)

Usually my result is INTP, though.

4. Nov 6, 2009

Staff: Mentor

We had a thread a few years back where people could do an "online" version of it, and most people here scored either INTP or INTJ, IIRC.

5. Nov 6, 2009

vectorcube

No. I am saying self-learners tend to be intp( if Intp as a category is valid).

6. Nov 6, 2009

Staff: Mentor

So, that's it? I should close the thread now?

7. Nov 6, 2009

Moonbear

Staff Emeritus
Meyers-Briggs isn't a test of learning style. It is a test of how people interact with others, and typically used to help determine team assignments or provide guidance for leadership approaches. Nothing about it would tell you if someone is a self-learner.

8. Nov 6, 2009

xxChrisxx

I'm either ENTP or INTP.

Two tests gave me two results, as Evo said mood can alter the result.
Reading the descriptions i'd say i'd class myself as ENTP though.

9. Nov 6, 2009

Monique

Staff Emeritus
How are the team assignments or leadership approaches for the different types determined? When I previously did the test the INFJ profile rolled out, which I can identify with. I'd be interested to know what kind of assignment/leadership advice would be given in my case.

10. Nov 6, 2009

vectorcube

Now, i gave a very detail account, and justification for why "self-learners tend to be INTP".

claim: self-learners tend to be INTP

This is significant in the following way:

Saying someone is a "self-learner" does not by itself give us much insight into the person. If the claim is true, then we do know something about someone who is a "self-learner", because we can look up the profiles of an intp, and read literatures for this particular personality type. This is signifcant, because it tells us the motivation, tendency of a person that is group as a self-learner. Now, this information is quite good. Knowing this allow you to pick out someone who is nerdy, and predict his s motivation.

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11. Nov 6, 2009

DarrenM

Meyers-Briggs gave me INTJ the first time I took it (many years ago), and ENTJ the second time (still many years ago), and most recently it just shouted "RAVENCLAW!" as soon as I sat down...which is great, because that's what I was really hoping for.

I think the lesson here is that self-determination is the deciding factor.

12. Nov 6, 2009

Moonbear

Staff Emeritus
My recollection from when I took one years ago was that the ideal team uses a mix of the different types, so you have balance. In terms of leadership, it's more knowing that other people have different styles, so don't expect everyone to respond to things the same way you do. I don't know about any specific advice, I just remember the part about balancing the teams.

13. Nov 6, 2009

vectorcube

1) My claim is that self-learners "tend" to be Intp.

2) The converse need not be true. That is, an intp need not be a self-learner.

1 is supported by the op.

2 is not supported by the op.

14. Nov 6, 2009

Moonbear

Staff Emeritus
You have no evidence, and we're refuting your OP because of lack of evidence and lack of properly using Meyers-Briggs assessments.

15. Nov 6, 2009

vectorcube

Perhaps you should be accessed by a professional.

16. Nov 6, 2009

Staff: Mentor

17. Nov 6, 2009

vectorcube

Ok, my argument is:
My conclusion is 4, which depends on 1, and 3. 3 depends on part C and 2.

If you reject 4, then you have to reject some premise from 1 to 3. Which premise do you reject?

18. Nov 6, 2009

Staff: Mentor

OY.

Post the scientific study of the test takers to support your conclusions.

19. Nov 6, 2009

vectorcube

My own feeling is that people can be grouped into types. Each type is distinct, and that they are objective categories. This is the same as saying a proton is massless, or that pi is 3.14159...

20. Nov 6, 2009

Staff: Mentor

Anyone can group anything into any group based on any criteria. What is your point?