Separation Church & State in Office

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Only allow athiests to hold office?

  • Yes, enough with catering to the religious.

    Votes: 5 19.2%
  • No, it would be unconstitutional.

    Votes: 21 80.8%

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  • #76
Doc Al
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He was 'pretty darn' unique in his views, probably closest to a Deist.
Right! The next best thing to being an atheist.
 
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Certainly an atheist should be able to be elected, but any other person who has a secular approach to policy, regardless of their religious stance should also have that opportunity.
 
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I've been thinking about this for a couple of days.

I tried to imagine what it would be like today if we had had no theology, ever.

The words kept flowing through my head. What would we have used instead?
Would we just have used different origins?

holiday? Hollytreeday?
good bye? May a goat be with you?

And what on earth would we have called fudge divinity? fudge-wow?

:eek:

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might be a good topic for a new thread. o:)
and still no yin yang smileys........ who do I have to bribe?
 
  • #79
jonefre
just a question... how is the 'separation of church and state' even an issue? is it in the constitution??? I thought that it was only said in a speech by Thomas Jefferson... so y does it have any relevance what so ever?
 
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just a question... how is the 'separation of church and state' even an issue? is it in the constitution??? I thought that it was only said in a speech by Thomas Jefferson... so y does it have any relevance what so ever?
It's an explanation/slogan TJ used to explain the need for the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment.
 
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U.S. Constitution said:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
The concept or principle of 'separation of church and state' came later through various court (particular Supreme Court) cases, and represents an interpretation.

See discussions - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#Amendments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause_of_the_First_Amendment

We also have - Article 6 of the US Constitution.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Six_of_the_United_States_Constitution
http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm#a6

http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm
 
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Central Atheist Dogma in my opinion:
Given the current state of knowledge, there is a low probability of deities existing.

Which I don't think is really a dogma at all, so maybe it's meaningless.

I heard somewhere that comparing atheism to a religion is like calling bald a hair color. Although I guess when you get technical about it atheism can mean many things to many people.

As far as only atheists being able to hold office, I voted no, it shouldn’t really matter what your beliefs/disbeliefs/non-beliefs are, as long as you are legislating with the real world in mind. Ideally, of course. This does not seem to be the case with American politics at present though. I don’t think I could get elected as anything if I admitted to being an atheist. On the other hand, my chances of winning an election would markedly increase if instead I ran as a Christian, even if my policies were exactly the same, and that is especially the case in certain areas of the country, which I happen to live in. I definitely think that is a problem. I would also be interested to see the results of a similar poll that said something along the lines of “Only allow theists and/or Christians to hold office?” and see how many theists would vote No.
 

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