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Serena Williams unpleasant experience in French Open due to political atmosphere?

  1. The French audience was justified

    4 vote(s)
    57.1%
  2. The French audience was not justified

    3 vote(s)
    42.9%
  1. Jun 6, 2003 #1
    There may be a topic on this already (in which case I'll lock tjis topic), but did any of you watch the French Open match between Williams and Henin-Hardenne?

    The crowd was really heckling Williams after Williams questioned two of the judge's calls. The predominately French crowd cheered when Williams would miss or have a serving fault. Ultimately, Williams lost and the question is whether the crowd treatment was a factor (which is no offense to Henin-Hardenne because she is a great player. Being in the French Open alone should tell something).

    Initially, the French response would be considered uncalled for and against protocol but I remember reading an article a week or two before the French Open where Williams is clearly mocking the French with a mock French accent saying "We don't want to play in the war; we want to make clothes." (taken from ESPN Page which also read on two separate articles that I will try to find ASAP)

    So then I question "did she ask for that treatment?"

    The statement obviously had political connotations, so that line between sports and politics has blurred a bit.

    Do you think the French treatment of Serena Williams after her apparent mocking of the French was justified or do you think that
    French had no right to act that way towards Williams?
     
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  3. Jun 6, 2003 #2
    I notice that these questions are usually only asked in one direction. She was NOT censured for her rudeness towards the French, yet people ask if the French should be called out on their treatment of her. She's an 'away' player making fun of the home crowd, and she got what she should have expected.
     
  4. Jun 6, 2003 #3

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    Agreed. I hadn't heard about her commments, and its impossible to know whether or not the French would still have been mean to her, but either way, it doesn't matter. This really isn't an important issue to me (even though I am a tennis fan).
     
  5. Jun 6, 2003 #4

    drag

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    France is hell and the French are the demons !
     
  6. Jun 6, 2003 #5
    Wow...did your mommy help you think that up?

    See if you can contribute something next time.
     
  7. Jun 6, 2003 #6
    I'm trying to find the actual articles where it mentioned Serena's comment. Reading it for the first time didn't strike me but reading and watching with my own two eyes the reaction at the French Open reminded me of her earlier statement and wondering whether it had anything to do with the reaction.

    It may have nothing to do with the reaction. It could simply be the political atmosphere at the moment, it could be both, or it could be that the French are simply not Serena William fans [??]
     
  8. Jun 6, 2003 #7

    drag

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    Nope. I was inspired by another member's style. :wink:
    I am !
    I'm:
    1. Making a pointless and humorous (partially )comment
    to imphasize the distaste I feel for this discussion.
    2. Cooling down by letting out some steam due to
    my warm feelings towards France.
    3. Increasing my post count.
    4. Increasing the size of PF.
    5. Expressing a provocative perspective (not mine).

    Hey, I'm not the only one who does that and it's
    a matter of perspective after all. :wink:

    Peace and long life.
     
  9. Jun 6, 2003 #8

    russ_watters

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    No. No one else does any of that. Certainly not me and certainly not Zero...
     
  10. Jun 6, 2003 #9

    jb

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    i personally haven't heard about this until now.

    if you go to your home team's games, whether its baseball, football, etc, there's going to be a fair amount of heckling. and when a public figure mocks your team/city/country, you're going to heckle more, because it hits a nerve with you.

    with tennis's growing popularity, it's becoming less of a game for rich snobs with sweaters that sip tea at their country clubs. i play competitively (just high school level) and i've run into some bad fans of my own, mostly kids from another school. tennis needs a new crop of fans, a new level of excitement, and bad fans are just a side effect.

    i wish people with the mic would stop criticizing others using uneducated/stereotypical (maybe even bigoted in a way) comments. it makes the rest of the world hate all americans.

    also, serena seems to treat tennis as half game/half wardrobe herself.

    finally, if the french had gone to war with us, we'd probably still be mocking them one way or another.
     
  11. Jun 6, 2003 #10
    Oh...I didn't realize this was a humor thread...my mistake?
     
  12. Jun 6, 2003 #11
    Oh, and I object to the phasing of the original post...'the French' didn't boo her, a crowd of fans in France did.
     
  13. Jun 7, 2003 #12
    I am almost certain this was not "political booing", rather a general dislike of her and her attitude. Most peeople I speak to in this country don't like her at all (she went on to practically call Henin a cheat afterwards).

    The French are known as being pretty harsh tennis fans.
     
  14. Jun 7, 2003 #13
    I was watching a game of the NBA finals -- the first one I've seen in years -- and I was very surprised to hear every one of New Jersey's starting players loudly booed as they were introduced (the game was in San Antonio.) Maybe rude fans are just becoming more commonplace.
     
  15. Jun 9, 2003 #14
    Good point. I changed it without changing the original context of the poll.
     
  16. Jun 9, 2003 #15
    Thanks, boss...
     
  17. Jun 9, 2003 #16

    russ_watters

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    You've never seen a game of anything in Philadelpha, have you? We booed the Pope. No, really.
     
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