Serial Communication Problem: DB9 Port & Max232

[asad1111]

iam making a project of serial communication between computer and controller the problem is:- db9 female port is connected to computer and male port is there to connect with max232 now in all circuits i have seen they have written that pin 2 is RTX or receiving pin whereas when i send signal from hyper terminal it appears on pin 2(i see it on oscilloscope) instead of pin3 which is transmission pin should it not have to appear on transmission pin??
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[jim hardy]

look for a RS232 tutorial
best i recall you roll the pins in the interconnecting cable because what is transmit to one guy is receive to the other.

we used 3 wires for 232 and telephone jacks.

 

[DragonPetter]

This gets me every time, and I usually end up making some adapter DB9 connector.

It has to do with the old RS-232 stuff where one device functions as a data terminal and the other as data terminating equipment. On one, the 2 and 3 pins will be the opposite of the other, so whatever you're trying to talk to, you need to have the pins swapped from that.

 

[asad1111]

so i need to give pin '2'(where signal is coming) to pin 8 or 13 of max 232 which is RS232 inputs instead of 11 or 10 of max 232

 

[jim hardy]

roll transmit and receive pins whatever they are. i think they're called TXD and RXD

look at pinouts for DTE and DCE

you really need to look up a tutorial on RS232

for there's other pins
clear to send, ready to send,

and lots of settings : baud rate , # of start & stop bits, parity,

that may or may not have to be dealt with. in my day those were set usually by DIP switches internal.

and i have long forgot the details.

 

[asad1111]

now when i roll the pins the max232 is giving incerted output by using not gate iam getting correct signal any idea why max232 is giving inverted output

 

[sophiecentaur]

look for a RS232 tutorial
best i recall you roll the pins in the interconnecting cable because what is transmit to one guy is receive to the other.

we used 3 wires for 232 and telephone jacks.

An intelligent RS232 interface can tell who it's talking to and swap the I/O to suit itself. No more Null Modem Grimblers needed!

 

[MATLABdude]

Just remember it from the perspective of the computer: computer RECEIVES data from the peripheral, and computer TRANSMITS data to the peripheral. The direction arrows help also:
http://pinouts.ru/SerialPorts/Serial9_pinout.shtml

 

[sophiecentaur]

Just remember it from the perspective of the computer: computer RECEIVES data from the peripheral, and computer TRANSMITS data to the peripheral. The direction arrows help also:
http://pinouts.ru/SerialPorts/Serial9_pinout.shtml

That's all very well but two computers can talk to each other quite happily via RS232. Which one is the 'peripheral' then?
RS232 was, afaik, a system for communicating with an external modem - where there was no confusion - but it has been used for other devices. Why not use an intelligent interface which will take care of Pins 1 and 2 quite well?
If you don't use an intelligent interface then there is no way of connecting a random choice of two out of three RS232 boards without needing to use a naff adapter and choose, each time, which is to to be the Tx and which the Rx. Not good Engineering and not necessary nowadays.
[Edit: I of course meant pins 2 and 3]

 

[DragonPetter]

That's all very well but two computers can talk to each other quite happily via RS232. Which one is the 'peripheral' then?
RS232 was, afaik, a system for communicating with an external modem - where there was no confusion - but it has been used for other devices. Why not use an intelligent interface which will take care of Pins 1 and 2 quite well?
If you don't use an intelligent interface then there is no way of connecting a random choice of two out of three RS232 boards without needing to use a naff adapter and choose, each time, which is to to be the Tx and which the Rx. Not good Engineering and not necessary nowadays.
[Edit: I of course meant pins 2 and 3]

An intelligent interface would be cool and definitely designable. I have never seen an RS-232 transceiver with this ability though, and it would make sense for them to build that in.

 

[sophiecentaur]

You need to buy an Apple, then. That capability goes back years and years on the Mac. I thought EVERYONE had that facility by now!

 

[MATLABdude]

You need to buy an Apple, then. That capability goes back years and years on the Mac. I thought EVERYONE had that facility by now!

They still make Apples with serial ports on them? :tongue:

(Conveniently, OS X ships with drivers for both FTDI- and Prolific-based USB to serial adapters--no smart interfaces that I'm aware of, however.)

 

[sophiecentaur]

Pretty dumb of me there. I was, of course, referring to the Ethernet interface when I talked of intelligence. I guess that RS232 has had little development recently.